Rep Massie posts gun photo

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luthervol said:
Not at all.
Supporting abortion in no way means you support killing babies. NOT AT ALL. NOT ONE BIT.
Some nuts may think it means the same thing, but they are nuts.
Supporting gun ownership in no way means you support school shootings. NOT AT ALL. NOT ONE BIT.
Some nuts may think it means the same thing, but they are nuts.
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You're justifying your support of killing babies. I guess people can convince themselves that anything is correct.
 
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Volaholic320 said:
You're justifying your support of killing babies. I guess people can convince themselves that anything is correct.
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And gun nuts support school shootings. (provided because you can't see the absurdity of what you say.)
 
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bnhunt said:
I have a fear of any idiot who puts those kind of weapons in the hands of kids
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It’s bnhunt dropping by for his semi- annual 2a verbal beat down . You could have just said .. “ I have a fear of weapons “ . We know . Lol
 
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kiddiedoc said:
So the DNA in the test tube is identical to the mother?

Or, are you arguing that the brain waves, heartbeat, and voluntary response to stimuli in an embryo are not evidence of life?
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I'm arguing that an embryo is not a human life.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Until when?
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No one really knows.
Plenty of people claim to know, but they obviously are only voicing their opinion.
That's the genius of Roe v Wade.
Reasonable people can disagree.
Unreasonable people can vilify one another.
 
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luthervol said:
No one really knows.
Plenty of people claim to know, but they obviously are only voicing their opinion.
That's the genius of Roe v Wade.
Reasonable people can disagree.
Unreasonable people can vilify one another.
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Ridiculous argument. You don't know unless you don't want to know. Rather than opinions, we often use physical signs in medicine.

When is someone dead? Can we know that?
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Ridiculous argument. You don't know unless you don't want to know. Rather than opinions, we often use physical signs in medicine.

When is someone dead? Can we know that?
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So you are firmly in the "unreasonable people" group.
I don't believe test tube embryos are humans. That's my opinion.
If you believe they are human, so be it.
See how reasonable I'm being?
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Ridiculous argument. You don't know unless you don't want to know. Rather than opinions, we often use physical signs in medicine.

When is someone dead? Can we know that?
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Commies have to pretend not to know things
 
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luthervol said:
So you are firmly in the "unreasonable people" group.
I don't believe test tube embryos are humans. That's my opinion.
If you believe they are human, so be it.
See how reasonable I'm being?
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No, I don't.

But, we're halfway there. You at least recognize that the criteria for life have been met.

Again, let's stick to science, not opinions. If I take a cell sample from anywhere in the "embryo" and send it for DNA sequencing or chromosome analysis, what would the lab report say?
 
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kiddiedoc said:
No, I don't.

But, we're halfway there. You at least recognize that the criteria for life have been met.

Again, let's stick to science, not opinions. If I take a cell sample from anywhere in the "embryo" and send it for DNA sequencing or chromosome analysis, what would the lab report say?
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It makes no difference to me what the lab report says.
So you think a test tube embryo is a human life?
 
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luthervol said:
It makes no difference to me what the lab report says.
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So, you are a "science denier?" You tell me about opinions, then you get to decide that the scientific report that every geneticist and physician in the world depends on "doesn't matter?"

Remind me again who is unreasonable.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
So, you are a "science denier?" You tell me about opinions, then you get to decide that the scientific report that every geneticist and physician in the world depends on "doesn't matter?"

Remind me again who is unreasonable.
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You avoided my question.
Do you think a test tube embryo is a human life?

Use all of your sciencey knowledge.

But no, I'm not a science denier; I actually am a pretty big proponent of science.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
So, you are a "science denier?" You tell me about opinions, then you get to decide that the scientific report that every geneticist and physician in the world depends on "doesn't matter?"

Remind me again who is unreasonable.
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What scientific report? DNA? What in the world is that suppose to prove?

You can ignore all of those questions, but I would like an answer to the one I asked earlier:

Do you believe a test tube embryo is a human?
 
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luthervol said:
What scientific report? DNA? What in the world is that suppose to prove?

You can ignore all of those questions, but I would like an answer to the one I asked earlier:

Do you believe a test tube embryo is a human?
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Does it have a full complement of uniquely human DNA, brain activity, heartbeat, and/or respond to stimuli? Then, yes.

Do you believe that a premie in an isolette requiring a heat source, IV nutrition, and a ventilator is a live human?
 
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