Reparations for Slavery (California)

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hog88 said:
Not me, it's a gorgeous state with tons of natural resources. Let the idiots break the place, get thrown out and sanity will return.
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Sorry but California can't be fixed. The Liberals have ruined the once beautiful state. The problem is that California Cancer will slowly spread to other states. You know what we do with Cancer...right?
 
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hog88 said:
Not me, it's a gorgeous state with tons of natural resources. Let the idiots break the place, get thrown out and sanity will return.
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Agree, CA is always a place a I love visiting... financially I enjoy coming back home.
 
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LargeOrange1 said:
Sorry but California can't be fixed. The Liberals have ruined the once beautiful state. The problem is that California Cancer will slowly spread to other states. You know what we do with Cancer...right?
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The cancer has spread.
 
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I will be really interested to see how they handle this.

I wonder what happens when some AA turn up and dont get anything because their parents/grandparents came afterwards?

Because it will be telling to see if this is reparations for slavery.

Or just a payment to all AAs.
 
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LouderVol said:
I will be really interested to see how they handle this.

I wonder what happens when some AA turn up and dont get anything because their parents/grandparents came afterwards?

Because it will be telling to see if this is reparations for slavery.

Or just a payment to all AAs.
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Per the article it references descendants of slaves, whether they stick with that or not who knows. If this comes to fruition there will be riots when they start declining people's claims.
 
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LargeOrange1 said:
Or we could just say "Tough sheeet. Slavery ended 165 years ago. Get the **** over it and move on".
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Slavery ended 165 years ago, but the last lynching was in the 1960s. There's also institutional racism in the 20th century that limited the ability of black people to compete for resources on an equal basis with whites. Oppression of black people didnt end with the emancipation proclamation.
 
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jvol1 said:
Slavery ended 165 years ago, but the last lynching was in the 1960s. There's also institutional racism in the 20th century that limited the ability of black people to compete for resources on an equal basis with whites. Oppression of black people didnt end with the emancipation proclamation.
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Pay it yourself
 
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jvol1 said:
Slavery ended 165 years ago, but the last lynching was in the 1960s. There's also institutional racism in the 20th century that limited the ability of black people to compete for resources on an equal basis with whites. Oppression of black people didnt end with the emancipation proclamation.
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Why would you pay one man for an injustice that was done to someone else. Why not put your efforts into creating an environment where such things don't happen.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
Why would you pay one man for an injustice that was done to someone else. Why not put your efforts into creating an environment where such things don't happen.
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Our own government is responsible for oppressing blacks and now the taxpayers are on the hook? Screw that
Throw the poles in prison and confiscate their wealth
 
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hog88 said:
Not me, it's a gorgeous state with tons of natural resources. Let the idiots break the place, get thrown out and sanity will return.
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If the socialist busy bodies get thrown out, I'm moving there.
 
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jvol1 said:
Slavery ended 165 years ago, but the last lynching was in the 1960s. There's also institutional racism in the 20th century that limited the ability of black people to compete for resources on an equal basis with whites. Oppression of black people didnt end with the emancipation proclamation.
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That argument is old. Trillions of $$$ have been poured into the Great Society, Social Programs, Welfare, Affirmative Action, etc, etc, etc....but where is Black America today? Still committing over 50% of all violent crimes. 75% illegitimate birth-rate. Most black families are SINGLE parent. More young black men in prison than in college....and the list goes on and on and on.....Oppression doesn't have jack**** to do with that. It's lack of self responsibility. Its not looking up to gangsta rappers as role models. If blacks are so oppressed, how did America elect a Black man as President not once but TWICE?
 
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jvol1 said:
Slavery ended 165 years ago, but the last lynching was in the 1960s. There's also institutional racism in the 20th century that limited the ability of black people to compete for resources on an equal basis with whites. Oppression of black people didnt end with the emancipation proclamation.
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We dont do this for invididuals who went through bad times. Why does it become something society had to pay when you make them a collective? Do they not have value as individuals?

Will giving every descendant of a slave, which would include non AA and not include all AA, really fix anything? Do you think giving them 200k is going to fix the problems plaguing AAs? Also seemed insulting to me to imply their problems are because they are poor.

We have fixed the government systemic problems. There are plenty of programs, scholarships, loan opportunities, targeted purely at AA. It's not like they are being ignored.

It will be just like most people winning the lottery. Most will end up worse off than they were, and only like 10% will actually improve their lot.
 
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LouderVol said:
We dont do this for invididuals who went through bad times. Why does it become something society had to pay when you make them a collective? Do they not have value as individuals?

Will giving every descendant of a slave, which would include non AA and not include all AA, really fix anything? Do you think giving them 200k is going to fix the problems plaguing AAs? Also seemed insulting to me to imply their problems are because they are poor.

We have fixed the government systemic problems. There are plenty of programs, scholarships, loan opportunities, targeted purely at AA. It's not like they are being ignored.

It will be just like most people winning the lottery. Most will end up worse off than they were, and only like 10% will actually improve their lot.
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I don't believe in the reparations part. However to say this ended 165yrs so was an ignorant statement. There are people living who endured water cannons, attacks by police dogs, dangerous opposition to integration, separate everything, etc. This isn't so easily dismissed as "slavery is over, move on"

I'm also not an income tax fan but if the govt is going to steal part of every American's paycheck they should use that money to benefit the citizens first.
 
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utvolpj said:
I don't believe in the reparations part. However to say this ended 165yrs so was an ignorant statement. There are people living who endured water cannons, attacks by police dogs, dangerous opposition to integration, separate everything, etc. This isn't so easily dismissed as "slavery is over, move on"

I'm also not an income tax fan but if the govt is going to steal part of every American's paycheck they should use that money to benefit the citizens first.
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Did you leave out "black" when you said "use that money to benefit the citizens first"
 
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utvolpj said:
I don't believe in the reparations part. However to say this ended 165yrs so was an ignorant statement. There are people living who endured water cannons, attacks by police dogs, dangerous opposition to integration, separate everything, etc. This isn't so easily dismissed as "slavery is over, move on"

I'm also not an income tax fan but if the govt is going to steal part of every American's paycheck they should use that money to benefit the citizens first.
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Again, do we pay restitution for individuals who go through that? Did the coal miners get reparations? Or any of the various pro-union/Pinkerton clashes result in payments? The Battle of Athens? There have been violent reprisals to any number of protests, I dont see restitution being pushed there.

Payment for their suffering has always been the change, to some extent, they were fighting for. No back pay or reparations for the damage done, or loss of future gains due to denial of X.

Any numbers of peoples coming to this country faced similar problems. The Irish and Chinese for the rail lines. The Irish being drafted into the Civil War. Discrimination based on heritage or religion is common, Catholics were lynched in the south, Baptists in the north. Plenty of people were told "need not apply" because of their ethnicity. Denied education, promotion, marriages, loans etc, just because they were different/unwanted. And I wont even go into what the Natives faced. Every kinda "great step" we took relied on the exploitation of some people.

Did our country have issues, yes. Do we still have issues, yes. Are we better now than we were, yes. The government is picking and choosing winners here because its political.

And after that 250k is gone, what then? Is thought that reparations work? Are they the end all be all? Is racism officially dead in California? Do the politicians finally stop telling the black people the whites are out to get them? Does affirmative action end?
 
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