Republican Nomination for President

Who would you vote for to run for President from the Republican Party?

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#228
#228
orangeslice13 said:
My biggest deal with the pres is the whole "Failed economic polices of GW" thing he ran on. Then as soon as he got elected went on a massive spending spree. He became GW 2.0 in my book.
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To be fair, his spending spree was much worse than GW. Apparently, Obama is a one-upper.
 
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#236
dreVol said:
And yet, I have a strong feeling that the voter turnout for our generation is going to suggest significant apathy.
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In other words . . . Voter turnout for 18-25 year olds will suck like it always does.
 
#241
#241
OrangeEmpire said:
Out of your mind, but do tell.
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Lincoln went to war to prevent people from being free of a government they no longer wanted. Suspended habeas corpus among other things. Too much to go into. Suffice it to say that 600000 americans died so that he could continue to rule them.

Teddy - Warmonger, hated economic freedom, was in favor or eugenics, wanted the lesser races kept down, was for forced sterilization, pushed hard for an income tax. for more read this Bully Boy: The Neocons' Favorite President by Thomas DiLorenzo

FDR hated economic freedom. his policies were essentially fascist. he was racist. he locked up people for being the wrong race. he supported eugenics. he pushed prounion laws. he retaliated against newspapers that spoke badly of his policies. he undermined SCOTUS. he pushed us into war. i could go on.
 
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#243
GAVol said:
In other words . . . Voter turnout for 18-25 year olds will suck like it always does.
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I had it in my mind that the voter turnout for that demographic was much, much bigger than the Census report below.

*****Additionally, voters 18 to 24 were the only age group to show a statistically significant increase in turnout, reaching 49 percent in 2008 compared with 47 percent in 2004. Blacks had the highest turnout rate among 18- to 24-year-old voters -- 55 percent, an 8 percent increase from 2004. The increased turnout among certain demographic groups was offset by stagnant or decreased turnout among other groups, causing overall 2008 voter turnout to remain statistically unchanged -- at 64 percent -- from 2004.
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Newsroom: Voting: Voter Turnout Increases by 5 Million in 2008 Presidential Election, U.S. Census Bureau Reports
 
#248
#248
OrangeEmpire said:
Negative ghostrider, read up on your history
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History


samples of things he said that make him a horrible president

slavery
Lincoln said in his 1852 eulogy to Henry Clay - eliminating slavery would produce “a greater evil, even to the cause of human liberty itself"

Lincoln said in his February 27, 1860 Cooper Union speech - we should deport black people so that “their places be . . . filled up by free white laborers.”

He said "when they remind us of their constitutional rights [to own slaves], I acknowledge them, not grudgingly but fully and fairly; and I would give them any legislation for the claiming of their fugitives" (in indicating support for the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850)

Lincoln said about the Emancipation Proclamation in a letter to Treasury Secretary Salmon P. Chase: "The original proclamation has no...legal justification, except as a military measure."

secession prior to his election
He said in a speech in congress about the War with Mexico on January 12, 1848 “Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right --a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is the right confined to cases I which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people, that can, may revolutionize, and make their own of so much of the territory as they inhabit.”


samples of things he did that make him a horrible president

actions
  • launching an invasion without the consent of Congress
  • blockading Southern ports before formally declaring war
  • unilaterally suspending the writ of habeas corpus
  • arresting and imprisoning thousands of Northern citizens without a warrant
  • censoring telegraph communications
  • confiscating private property, including firearms
  • he issued a warrant to arrest the Chief Justice of the United States, Roger B. Taney, following his opinion in the case of Ex parte Merryman (May, 1861)

These are all facts. History. No opinions. These facts are probably true even if one is a Yankee.

How's that?
 
#249
#249
Does anybody here honestly think that any of the GOP candidates would have:

a) signed the stimulus bill?
b) signed the omnibus budget bill a few weeks later that contained over 3000 earmarks that Obama said weren't there?
c) signed Obamacare into law
d) allowed the Attorney General to try KSM in a civilian court
e) nominated judicial activists like Kagan and Sotamayor to the SCOTUS
f) install over 30 unaccountable czars
g) nominate nutjobs like Henry Chu (sp?)
h) retained the idiotic Eric Holder after fiascos like Fast and Furious and the Gibson Guitar raid?

and the list goes on. The truth is that any of the current GOP field would be better than Obama, way better. They are indeed all flawed in some way (even Ron Paul) and there is something in their past and present that will keep single-issue zealots from voting for them.

Regardless of who the nominee is, I am going to vote for him or her. I can put aside my differences with any one of them in order to send Obama on to an early and much deserved retirement.
 
#250
#250
(c) and (f) are the only ones I believe at least one of the GOP candidates would not have done. As for the activist judges, they would've selected right wing activists, not left.
 
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