Republican Nomination for President

Who would you vote for to run for President from the Republican Party?


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Not necessarily. The money will move if a strong candidate comes along rather than get left behind.. Reagan, Clinton and even Obama were definitely NOT the insider's first choice.

Reagan and Clinton were in different eras though... Either way, this whole discussion makes me wonder why campaign finance has avoided being a hot button issue for so long. It seems like the keystone for every other political issue out there.
 
Reagan and Clinton were in different eras though... Either way, this whole discussion makes me wonder why campaign finance has avoided being a hot button issue for so long. It seems like the keystone for every other political issue out there.

People hate to admit it, but the local city council race often times gets decided in much the same way.
 
Who would you vote for President if the election were held today?

John Huntsman. But it seems a lot of folks I know socially tend to like Gingrich. What I'm going to say is going to sound trollish, but it's not, I honestly believe this. This country would be better off with Barack Obama as President than Newt Gingrich.

I am not an Obama supporter. But Gingrich is an absolute nightmare for me.
 
John Huntsman. But it seems a lot of folks I know socially tend to like Gingrich. What I'm going to say is going to sound trollish, but it's not, I honestly believe this. This country would be better off with Barack Obama as President than Newt Gingrich.

I am not an Obama supporter. But Gingrich is an absolute nightmare for me.


Interesting. I'd be curious as to the general politics of those in your social circle who like Gingrich.

I think each of the GOP candidates has some base of support that they appeal to.

Romney appeals to the pragmatic moderates who see long term value in simply having the WH again. As someone said this morning, his support is a mile wide, but just an inch deep.

Gingrich is the bombastic guy who, even if you don't like a particular policy, is appealing because he is so assertive and you just feel like he'd get things done. I think he appeals to people who just feel like the country is stagnant and want something to change, for better or for worse.

Paul appeals to the intellectuals, the theoreticians. They know deep down he can't win and can't really be counted on to run anything. But they like the purity of his thinking and they want to feel like they see the bigger picture. He is going to appeal to the college kids.

Huntsman is the guy that appeals to what I will paradoxically call the super moderates. He worked in the Obama administration -- he can actually broker deals. And he's not a loon, in any respect. I'd say his support is a quarter mile wide, and an inch deep.

Then you have Bachman and Santorum. The true social conservatives. They are running at the wrong time, because anyone with any sense realizes that abortion and gay marriage is about as relevant to the moderates in the general election as what color socks the candidates are wearing. Their support, split as it is, is 100 yards wide, and three miles deep.

Romney wins. There isn't a ton of enthusiasm, and it all comes down to whether the economy has percolated enough by about August-October that people pay any attention to the race, at all.

If Romney loses the general, he probably wins in 2016, with maybe Rubio on the ticket as his VP.

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John Huntsman. But it seems a lot of folks I know socially tend to like Gingrich. What I'm going to say is going to sound trollish, but it's not, I honestly believe this. This country would be better off with Barack Obama as President than Newt Gingrich.

I am not an Obama supporter. But Gingrich is an absolute nightmare for me.

My father is one of the smartest people I know. He's a retired TVA Electrical engineer who built nuclear plants for most of his carrier as senior construction engineer. He loves Newt and truly thinks Newt is the answer. I don't like any of the candidates. I think they will all say whatever people want to hear to get elected. My Dad thinks Newt is different.
I don't get what Dad thinks He sees in Newt.
 
My father is one of the smartest people I know. He's a retired TVA Electrical engineer who built nuclear plants for most of his carrier as senior construction engineer. He loves Newt and truly thinks Newt is the answer. I don't like any of the candidates. I think they will all say whatever people want to hear to get elected. My Dad thinks Newt is different.
I don't get what Dad thinks He sees in Newt.

Get him to explain in detail, I'm truly interested.
 
John Huntsman. But it seems a lot of folks I know socially tend to like Gingrich. What I'm going to say is going to sound trollish, but it's not, I honestly believe this. This country would be better off with Barack Obama as President than Newt Gingrich.

I am not an Obama supporter. But Gingrich is an absolute nightmare for me.

No one could be worse than Obama, not one single person.
 
My #1 problem (there are others) with Gingrich:

I believe most Congressmen are dishonest people whose goal is to pad their pockets.

Newt Gingrich had to pay $300,000 in fines for ethics violations while in Congress.

Generally, Congress takes care of their own.

In my view Mr. Gingrich, criminals think you are too dishonest to hang out with them.
 
No matter how much of a criminal you think he is, I don't see how he could be any worse than what we currently have.
 
I'm not talking about volfanjustin when I say this:

Several folks I work with, related to or go to church with really dislike Barack Obama. Most refer to him as the worst President in their lifetimes, if not all time.

My question to them is, "which policies of the Obama administration do you disagree with?" The answers are always the same. Healthcare Law (even though they know virtually no details about the law). "He's a Socialist", even though most Americans can't define Socialism.

These are just two examples. So are they just regurgitating the stuff they've heard on Rush Limbaugh and Neal Boortz?
 
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Romney appeals to the pragmatic moderates who see long term value in simply having the WH again. As someone said this morning, his support is a mile wide, but just an inch deep.

Very well said. I have yet to meet someone who truly likes Romney. It's always an anti-Obama plug. I was on that boat for the last two presidential elections. Unfortunately, we have seen where "the lesser of the two evils" get us.

Paul appeals to the intellectuals, the theoreticians. They know deep down he can't win and can't really be counted on to run anything. But they like the purity of his thinking and they want to feel like they see the bigger picture. He is going to appeal to the college kids.

Agree with the bold.

As for the college kids, I would say it has less to do with what you are inferring, being that college kids are normally more idealistic in nature. It certainly was for Obama's campaign in 2008. I met and talked with a lot of college students who are Paul supports (did the same for Obama supports in 2008). It is different. Most of them come from the angle that for the last few decades, the baby boomers have consistently supported programs which benefit them directly at the expense of their children and grandchildren. Most of them are aware of this dirty secret, pissed off, and scared to death of the eventual outcome if these policies and programs are not dramatically revised or dismantled completely. In short, our generation has the most to lose with maintaining the status quo.
 
I'm not talking about volfanjustin when I say this:

Several folks I work with, related to or go to church with really dislike Barack Obama. Most refer to him as the worst President in their lifetimes, if not all time.

My question to them is, "which policies of the Obama administration do you disagree with?" The answers are always the same. Healthcare Law (even though they know virtually no details about the law). "He's a Socialist", even though most Americans can't define Socialism.

These are just two examples. So are they just regurgitating the stuff they've heard on Rush Limbaugh and Neal Boortz?

Government especially on a national level should not have any say on our healthcare as individuals. I believe he hates what this country stands for and our American dominance around the world, he said he wanted to "fundamentally transform this country" I am not rich at all so I am not trying to save myself anything here but his ideas of taxing the hell out of the rich would cripple this country even further.
 
In short, our generation has the most to lose with maintaining the status quo.

And yet, I have a strong feeling that the voter turnout for our generation is going to suggest significant apathy.

Re: the SCOTUS. Ginsberg is likely retiring. I've also heard that Kennedy might retire, too. More than likely, the next president will appoint at least one justice. I wonder where this will rank in priority for voters.
 
Government especially on a national level should not have any say on our healthcare as individuals. I believe he hates what this country stands for and our American dominance around the world, he said he wanted to "fundamentally transform this country" I am not rich at all so I am not trying to save myself anything here but his ideas of taxing the hell out of the rich would cripple this country even further.

You've included no details in your argument. Just talking points that could've been copied and pasted from the Fox News website.

What does "tax the hell" mean? How is it defined? I hate the Obama healthcare law. But I don't believe most people know enough about it to argue against it.
 
And yet, I have a strong feeling that the voter turnout for our generation is going to suggest significant apathy.

Re: the SCOTUS. Ginsberg is likely retiring. I've also heard that Kennedy might retire, too. More than likely, the next president will appoint at least one justice. I wonder where this will rank in priority for voters.

All the more reason to get a Ron Paul appointee in there.
 
You've included no details in your argument. Just talking points that could've been copied and pasted from the Fox News website.

What does "tax the hell" mean? How is it defined? I hate the Obama healthcare law. But I don't believe most people know enough about it to argue against it.

I want taxes cut for all people, he wants to raise taxes on the rich which will increase unemployment. He keeps saying they need to pay their fair share, by the numbers the IRS puts out they are paying more than their fair share. He along with every other liberal believes they can spend your money better than you can.
 
You've included no details in your argument. Just talking points that could've been copied and pasted from the Fox News website.

What does "tax the hell" mean? How is it defined? I hate the Obama healthcare law. But I don't believe most people know enough about it to argue against it.

My biggest deal with the pres is the whole "Failed economic polices of GW" thing he ran on. Then as soon as he got elected went on a massive spending spree. He became GW 2.0 in my book.
 

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