Republicans Time to Grow Up and Move to the Center or Die.

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Things I can move to the center on:

gay marriage- I don't care if two gay people want to hook up. However, I don't want to see a new class of "hate crime" if a photographer doesn't want to work a gay wedding.

abortion- It has it's place as a medical procedure and I don't believe that life begins at conception.

drugs- the war on drugs has been a failure. decriminalize marijuana and regulate other, harder drugs in the same way that alcohol and tobacco are already regulated. Spend as much money on treatment as we are now spending on enforcement.

Things I won't move to the center on:

taxes- it's my money, I earned it. let me decide how much to send to the government through my buying habits. If I decide I want to help someone behind me, it should be my choice and my hand reaching into my wallet.

labor unions- screw them.

capitalism- there is no better economic system. some government regulation (like child labor laws) is a good thing. Stupid crap like the minimum wage, EEOC (remember when they wanted to force Hooters to hire male servers?), and some environmental and OHSA regulations are a hindrance.
 
#78
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MG1968 said:
Things I can move to the center on:

gay marriage- I don't care if two gay people want to hook up. However, I don't want to see a new class of "hate crime" if a photographer doesn't want to work a gay wedding.

abortion- It has it's place as a medical procedure and I don't believe that life begins at conception.

drugs- the war on drugs has been a failure. decriminalize marijuana and regulate other, harder drugs in the same way that alcohol and tobacco are already regulated. Spend as much money on treatment as we are now spending on enforcement.

Things I won't move to the center on:

taxes- it's my money, I earned it. let me decide how much to send to the government through my buying habits. If I decide I want to help someone behind me, it should be my choice and my hand reaching into my wallet.

labor unions- screw them.

capitalism- there is no better economic system. some government regulation (like child labor laws) is a good thing. Stupid crap like the minimum wage, EEOC (remember when they wanted to force Hooters to hire male servers?), and some environmental and OHSA regulations are a hindrance.
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BigPapaVol said:
you're not accounting for the inevitable pendulum swing back to conservatism, which will open hordes of those currently dem seats to conservatives.

the fiscal conservative, strong military, limited government movement is not at a crossroads or remotely dead. Whether the Republican party gets that is a different animal, but someone is going to get that right.

Hell, I'm considering moving back to TN to run for the House on exactly that platform. Then I'm taking it to the Senate.

BPV for House 2010.
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Run in a State that does not already hold true Republican Values and Win versus Tennessee.

Don't bring the elitist attitude into Tennessee that thinks I can easily win with agenda like this because it is Tennessee and it is already Republican.

Take the message to a prominently Democratically controlled area and run on that platform. Now that is the challenge you need to face and it is not the easy route.

I Do give Obama the respect. He ran a campaign against the odds. Reading this board he couldn't win an Election to pickup Dog Crap in a park.

Two and a half years ago it was predicted he only could win DC and Hawaii in the Primary. Documented.

Well, he ran and won. He did not conform that much and secured a mandate in the process.

He ran to the Center and got elected. He mobilized two voting blocks that had not been mobilized since 68. This time they are not going away they now know what blood tastes like.

We can blame the economy, we can blame the Palin Selection, we can blame Bush and we can blame everybody else but we need to start with ourselves before we go out and blame others.
 
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MG1968 said:
Things I can move to the center on:

gay marriage- I don't care if two gay people want to hook up. However, I don't want to see a new class of "hate crime" if a photographer doesn't want to work a gay wedding.

abortion- It has it's place as a medical procedure and I don't believe that life begins at conception.

drugs- the war on drugs has been a failure. decriminalize marijuana and regulate other, harder drugs in the same way that alcohol and tobacco are already regulated. Spend as much money on treatment as we are now spending on enforcement.

Things I won't move to the center on:

taxes- it's my money, I earned it. let me decide how much to send to the government through my buying habits. If I decide I want to help someone behind me, it should be my choice and my hand reaching into my wallet.

labor unions- screw them.

capitalism- there is no better economic system. some government regulation (like child labor laws) is a good thing. Stupid crap like the minimum wage, EEOC (remember when they wanted to force Hooters to hire male servers?), and some environmental and OHSA regulations are a hindrance.
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Realism, your opinions evidently do not matter and although I agree with most of this, it is in the minority. May stay there for a while.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Realism, your opinions evidently do not matter and although I agree with most of this, it is in the minority. May stay there for a while.
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Welcome the Dixiecrat back!

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#82
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Sudden Impact said:
Realism, your opinions evidently do not matter and although I agree with most of this, it is in the minority. May stay there for a while.
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so you're saying that I should just give up and "move to the center or die"?

screw that. I'm going to enjoy being part of the very vocal opposition to an Obama presidency.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Run in a State that does not already hold true Republican Values and Win versus Tennessee.

Don't bring the elitist attitude into Tennessee that thinks I can easily win with agenda like this because it is Tennessee and it is already Republican.

Take the message to a prominently Democratically controlled area and run on that platform. Now that is the challenge you need to face and it is not the easy route.

I Do give Obama the respect. He ran a campaign against the odds. Reading this board he couldn't win an Election to pickup Dog Crap in a park.

Two and a half years ago it was predicted he only could win DC and Hawaii in the Primary. Documented.

Well, he ran and won. He did not conform that much and secured a mandate in the process.

He ran to the Center and got elected. He mobilized two voting blocks that had not be mobilized since 68. This time they are not going away they now know what blood tastes like.

We can blame the economy, we can blame the Palin Selection, we can blame Bush and we can blame everybody else but we need to start with ourselves before we go out and blame others.
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the bottom several paragraphs I don't remotely understand.

As to the first few, I'm a freaking Tennessean and that's why I would go there. Not because of political dynamics.
 
#85
#85
BigPapaVol said:
the fiscal conservative, strong military, limited government movement is not at a crossroads or remotely dead. Whether the Republican party gets that is a different animal, but someone is going to get that right.

Hell, I'm considering moving back to TN to run for the House on exactly that platform. Then I'm taking it to the Senate.

BPV for House 2010.
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Sounded like a carpetbagger to me and that is the reason I stated don't move back to Tennessee its already fine. Spread the word and move to where you are needed.
 
#86
#86
Sudden Impact said:
Sounded like a carpetbagger to me and that is the reason I stated don't move back to Tennessee its already fine. Spread the word move to where you are needed.
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"moving back" didn't give you a clue of some kind?
 
#87
#87
BigPapaVol said:
the fiscal conservative, strong military, limited government movement is not at a crossroads or remotely dead. Whether the Republican party gets that is a different animal, but someone is going to get that right.

Hell, I'm considering moving back to TN to run for the House on exactly that platform. Then I'm taking it to the Senate.

BPV for House 2010.
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Sounds like my idea to run for Knox County Commission in 2010.
 
#90
#90
BigPapaVol said:
from what I've read, you and I have very different backgrounds and unbelievably different viewpoints on governance.
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for one thing, he's only 18 and hasn't yet had the real world smack him in the face.
 
#92
#92
Sudden Impact said:
Run in a State that does not already hold true Republican Values and Win versus Tennessee.

Don't bring the elitist attitude into Tennessee that thinks I can easily win with agenda like this because it is Tennessee and it is already Republican.

Take the message to a prominently Democratically controlled area and run on that platform. Now that is the challenge you need to face and it is not the easy route.

I Do give Obama the respect. He ran a campaign against the odds. Reading this board he couldn't win an Election to pickup Dog Crap in a park.

Two and a half years ago it was predicted he only could win DC and Hawaii in the Primary. Documented.

Well, he ran and won. He did not conform that much and secured a mandate in the process.

He ran to the Center and got elected. He mobilized two voting blocks that had not been mobilized since 68. This time they are not going away they now know what blood tastes like.

We can blame the economy, we can blame the Palin Selection, we can blame Bush and we can blame everybody else but we need to start with ourselves before we go out and blame others.
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:good!:

Best post of the week
 
#93
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BigPapaVol said:
As to the first few, I'm a freaking Tennessean and that's why I would go there. Not because of political dynamics.
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BigPapaVol said:
the fiscal conservative, strong military, limited government movement is not at a crossroads or remotely dead. Whether the Republican party gets that is a different animal, but someone is going to get that right.

Hell, I'm considering moving back to TN to run for the House on exactly that platform. Then I'm taking it to the Senate.
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This is a contradiction within itself. It sounds like "I am moving back to Tennessee and running for office base on the Political Dynamics of Tennessee."

Don't disagree with the Platform but this serves no purpose in a state that already serves that agenda. Run where you are now and fix the agenda versus taking an easy route to the Senate.

You evidently can't get elected where you are so what makes you think you can get elected here in a state that already embraces these values.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
This is a contradiction within itself. I moving back to Tennessee and running for office base on the Political Dynamics of Tennessee. Don't disagree with the Platform but this serves no purpose in a state that already serves that agenda. Run where you are now and fix the agenda versus taking an easy route to the Senate.

You evidently can't get elected where you are so what makes you think you can get elected here in a state that already embraces these values.
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you might be taking this a bit too seriously, but I don't see the contradiction in being Tennessean and being conservative.

Either way, I'm telling you that those values will all shift if the Obama admin is a disaster and the dems will be run out of Washington as the Repubs have been over the past two elections.

Finally, I'm not looking at an easy route to anything. I simply want limited governance, fiscal conservatism and a strong military. That stand will become vogue again at some point.
 
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MG1968 said:
for one thing, he's only 18 and hasn't yet had the real world smack him in the face.
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I wish they had an age checker in this forum. I was hoping he was at least 35 and had a few kids. He has not experienced the true pain of politics yet from both the Republicans and Democrats. I guess the 1968 reference flew over his head in light years.
 
#96
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BigPapaVol said:
you might be taking this a bit too seriously, but I don't see the contradiction in being Tennessean and being conservative.

Either way, I'm telling you that those values will all shift if the Obama admin is a disaster and the dems will be run out of Washington as the Repubs have been over the past two elections.

Finally, I'm not looking at an easy route to anything. I simply want limited governance, fiscal conservatism and a strong military. That stand will become vogue again at some point.
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I will tell you that the military needs to heal right now and if we do not disengage from some commitments abroad. We are going to suffer in filling the force.

I have two sons both in and out of the military. They wanted to serve their country and did because of their way of life. I am proud and glad they did, but I would not influence their decisions when both chose to leave the service. They made the right decision.

I still communicate with all ranks and our military needs to heal. We are going to face another challenge in the months ahead. I do believe it is coming and no matter whoever was the President. It was going to happen. I am standing by and waiting for now Obama's answer. It will be a test.


Go to my post that refers to the Winner is the Loser and the Loser will be the Winner.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Somethings have to change. We need to move towards the Center or we will die on the vine. I am sorry if you cannot deal with that and it is the stubborness that will kill the party without movement.

Things that are gone and may never return as solid platforms of the far Right wing of the Republican Party are the following:

Racial Indifferences
Reagan Economics
No Government Involvement
The Ability to push "the Sky is Falling Issues' or Mudslinging.
Politics as a Bloodsport and avoidance of the Issues.
Ultra Conservatism as practiced by the ultra right wing.

Accept the Responsibility or Bush's Failures or this Party's failures and help fix them versus handed them off.

This is a power shift to the center. If we do not convert from a less the conservative side to a more moderate side we will die.

I am a Republican and have been. I have seen so much on this board and expected it because of this state. Faceit this day is gone but not lost.

MCCain ran the worse campaign I have ever witnessed. His staff has no clue and we must realize that there were two candidates on the Republican Party Ticket. Palin and McCain. She never represented what this country wanted or needed as a leader.

It was not John MCain but the base and moderates fighting. He knew it early on and we need to give him credit. He could not convince the base to move more toward the center. We still have great Leaders in Congress and in Washington. Lamar Alexander for one. Fred Thompson for another. Bill Frist will be our next Governor. Others that will always put the Country First before they do their Party.

A lot died last night in the Republican Party and it is time to cut the losses and move on. We need to do it in a way that we address the issues and not the scare tactics of old. If we do not the Republican Party will slowly go into extinction.
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that is rediculous. that's why we lost is that we didn't run as a conservative. if you're going make that claim, then we should all be one party, the dem party.

it's amazing that the republicans are the ones that have to move center. no one tells that to the dems, the dems can be as far left as they want, but the right has to move center. i say that it's BULL S###. we must must run as conservatives, make a bold distinction between libs and conservatives and we'll win.

mccain is an example of being a moderate. and so are the republicans that were voted in this past election.
 
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MG1968 said:
Things I can move to the center on:

gay marriage- I don't care if two gay people want to hook up. However, I don't want to see a new class of "hate crime" if a photographer doesn't want to work a gay wedding.

abortion- It has it's place as a medical procedure and I don't believe that life begins at conception.

drugs- the war on drugs has been a failure. decriminalize marijuana and regulate other, harder drugs in the same way that alcohol and tobacco are already regulated. Spend as much money on treatment as we are now spending on enforcement.

Things I won't move to the center on:

taxes- it's my money, I earned it. let me decide how much to send to the government through my buying habits. If I decide I want to help someone behind me, it should be my choice and my hand reaching into my wallet.

labor unions- screw them.

capitalism- there is no better economic system. some government regulation (like child labor laws) is a good thing. Stupid crap like the minimum wage, EEOC (remember when they wanted to force Hooters to hire male servers?), and some environmental and OHSA regulations are a hindrance.
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I am with you 100%, man.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Somethings have to change. We need to move towards the Center or we will die on the vine. I am sorry if you cannot deal with that and it is the stubborness that will kill the party without movement.

Things that are gone and may never return as solid platforms of the far Right wing of the Republican Party are the following:

Racial Indifferences
Reagan Economics
No Government Involvement
The Ability to push "the Sky is Falling Issues' or Mudslinging.
Politics as a Bloodsport and avoidance of the Issues.
Ultra Conservatism as practiced by the ultra right wing.

Accept the Responsibility or Bush's Failures or this Party's failures and help fix them versus handed them off.

This is a power shift to the center. If we do not convert from a less the conservative side to a more moderate side we will die.

I am a Republican and have been. I have seen so much on this board and expected it because of this state. Faceit this day is gone but not lost.

MCCain ran the worse campaign I have ever witnessed. His staff has no clue and we must realize that there were two candidates on the Republican Party Ticket. Palin and McCain. She never represented what this country wanted or needed as a leader.

It was not John MCain but the base and moderates fighting. He knew it early on and we need to give him credit. He could not convince the base to move more toward the center. We still have great Leaders in Congress and in Washington. Lamar Alexander for one. Fred Thompson for another. Bill Frist will be our next Governor. Others that will always put the Country First before they do their Party.

A lot died last night in the Republican Party and it is time to cut the losses and move on. We need to do it in a way that we address the issues and not the scare tactics of old. If we do not the Republican Party will slowly go into extinction.
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I'm with you except for the part about ending the war on drugs. I think we could decriminalize mary jane and be ok. Heavier drugs could turn into a much bigger problem. I'm afraid they could get even more out of control.

I'm all for finding more effective ways to fight the problem of drugs in our society though.
 
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Admittedly I have not read every post in this thread so my two cents may simply duplicate a prior post but in my humble opinion Obama won because lots of middle class folks are scared about the economy and they actually believe the democrats will tax "the rich" and spread the wealth if things get bad enough. Just as in '92, it's the economy stupid. The economic situation has nothing to do with social issues and the things that pissed people off yesterday will still piss people off two and four years from now. It's just that when you are worried about losing your job, home and family other issues have a way of suddenly getting placed on the back burner.
 
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