Richmond is taking down Confederate statues: Is this the end for other Confederate memorials?

[NashVol11]

Absolutely, people dont understand that the saul alinsky type groups are controlling this. They'll do away with every monument that recognizes the greatness of this once free country.

What American greatness are Confederate statues celebrating?

 

[NashVol11]

So people with a criminal past shouldn't be celebrated?

Oof this is a huge stretch

 

[Rickyvol77]

Maybe, but you cannot argue Native Americans were here first. You also cannot argue we treated them inhumanely. You act as if you cannot own our ugly past. It is what it is. We cannot change the past, just recognize it for what it was. Don't let reverence blind you to truth.

I recognize our past issues as a nation. The problem is people who harp on it minimize the fact that EVeRY people, race, nation etc has done the exactly same thing over history.

 

[NashVol11]

Maybe, but you cannot argue Native Americans were here first. You also cannot argue we treated them inhumanely. You act as if you cannot own our ugly past. It is what it is. We cannot change the past, just recognize it for what it was. Don't let reverence blind you to truth.

America has done awful things repeatedly, throughout history, but no one is allowed to say that because it means you hate America

 

[NashVol11]

I recognize our past issues as a nation. The problem is people who harp on it minimize the fact that EVeRY people, race, nation etc has done the exactly same thing over history.

Difference is that many other countries acknowledge their shortcomings, whereas here it's "I DON'T CARE DON'T MESS WITH OUR NATIONAL SONG"

Also, no, not every country enslaved an entire race of people.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Difference is that many other countries acknowledge their shortcomings, whereas here it's "I DON'T CARE DON'T MESS WITH OUR NATIONAL SONG"

Also, no, not every country enslaved an entire race of people.

How often do we have to recognize our shortcomings? Pretty sure slavery has been discussed ad nauseum. And nothing is going to change the fact it happened. And yes every race of people has been involved in slavery at some point. Black white asian middle eastern. Jewish, native Americans . Everyone

 

[Rickyvol77]

America has done awful things repeatedly, throughout history, but no one is allowed to say that because it means you hate America

So what though. It’s over

 

[Vol Main]

No survivors made the statues.

We should be "hating" on traitors that killed real American patriots in the name of kidnapping, murder, and torture.

You are mistaken.

 

[bamawriter]

Difference is that many other countries acknowledge their shortcomings, whereas here it's "I DON'T CARE DON'T MESS WITH OUR NATIONAL SONG"

Also, no, not every country enslaved an entire race of people.

Many did. And slavery was common throughout the world, the victims simply looked different.

 

[NashVol11]

How often do we have to recognize our shortcomings? Pretty sure slavery has been discussed ad nauseum. And nothing is going to change the fact it happened. And yes every race of people has been involved in slavery at some point. Black white asian middle eastern. Jewish, native Americans . Everyone

I mean, probably the majority of this country is still unwilling to acknowledge any single negative aspect of it, or to tolerate any statement about America beyond "rah rah we're #1 and everything we do is the best," so it's hard to say the process of "recognizing our shortcomings" has even started, much less ended

 

[Rickyvol77]

I mean, probably the majority of this country is still unwilling to acknowledge any single negative aspect of it, or to tolerate any statement about America beyond "rah rah we're #1 and everything we do is the best," so it's hard to say the process of "recognizing our shortcomings" has even started, much less ended

Oh please this is ridiculous. Everyone is aware that slavery existed and probably 98% of Americans think it was totally evil and wrong. We can be the best country in the world and still know we have had our issues. But the fact is it’s over and those who continue to be miserable and dwell on things that happened 200-300 years ago are not trying to do any type of progress, they are trying to make excuses to why they have failed in life

 

[NashVol11]

One shortcoming is that we celebrated a bunch of Confederate soldiers while simultaneously downplaying the abolitionists who actually worked to effect positive change, because the post-slavery narrative in the South was controlled by former slaveowners and Confederate soldiers. Look how smoothly "recognizing" that has gone. People are legitimately attached to their neighborhood Confederate soldier

 

[NashVol11]

Another shortcoming is that intentional and racist redlining made it near-impossible for Black people to own property, and that was recently. How many are "recognizing" that as they push their various bootstrap theories?

 

[NashVol11]

Oh please this is ridiculous. Everyone is aware that slavery existed and probably 98% of Americans think it was totally evil and wrong. We can be the best country in the world and still know we have had our issues. But the fact is it’s over and those who continue to be miserable and dwell on things that happened 200-300 years ago are not trying to do any type of progress, they are trying to make excuses to why they have failed in life

Probably just a coincidence that the group we spent 250 years enslaving and another 100 years openly and actively oppressing is the same group that isn't doing so hot

 

[RDU VOL#14]

I’m sorry, but do you guys see the irony of arguing over whose life it’s ok to honor given their criminal
past while there is guy whose life is being celebrated by elected officials, community leaders, celebrities, superstar athletes on 3 different separate occasions who also had a violent criminal past? Some of the violent past include jamming a pistol into a pregnant woman’s stomach while he searched her house for cash and drugs. He’s being celebrated because Chauvin is a POS and he’s black, not because he was some pillar of the community.

As far as the monuments, I’m not saying the monuments need to be there or put in storage or a museum, I’m just saying take a little perspective when you start telling people who to honor or not honor.

 

[NashVol11]

I’m sorry, but do you guys see the irony of arguing over whose life it’s ok to honor given their criminal
past while there is guy whose life is being celebrated by elected officials, community leaders, celebrities, superstar athletes on 3 different separate occasions who also had a violent criminal past? Some of the violent past include jamming a pistol into a pregnant woman’s stomach while he searched her house for cash and drugs. He’s being celebrated because Chauvin is a POS and he’s black, not because he was some pillar of the community.

As far as the monuments, I’m not saying the monuments need to be there or put in storage or a museum, I’m just saying take a little perspective when you start telling people who to honor or not honor.

Comparing George Floyd to Confederate soldiers because you think his death received "too much attention" is a bad take. Go watch the Floyd video and you will see why people are speaking up about it. I suspect you won't feel the urge to react to it with "but he was a criminal in 2004"

 

[Rickyvol77]

Probably just a coincidence that the group we spent 250 years enslaving and another 100 years openly and actively oppressing is the same group that isn't doing so hot

No one is being actively oppressed as a group

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

I’m fine with that. Don’t think it will be that interesting

It will be interesting to see how many of those who support removing Confederate monuments will oppose removing memorials to Lincoln and FDR, for example.

 

[NashVol11]

No one is being actively oppressed as a group

Arguable but beside the point; it was at least happening until fairly recently. I was referring to mid-1800s-mid-1900s

 

[carlos86]

One shortcoming is that we celebrated a bunch of Confederate soldiers while simultaneously downplaying the abolitionists who actually worked to effect positive change, because the post-slavery narrative in the South was controlled by former slaveowners and Confederate soldiers. Look how smoothly "recognizing" that has gone. People are legitimately attached to their neighborhood Confederate soldier

The biggest short coming is that we allowed a Neo-Confederates, Pro-Southerners and Lost Causers to change the entire narrative of why the civil war started, who were the real hero’s and why the south actually lost the war. Now you have a situation where historians, activists and the military are pushing back and All the “my grandfather fought For the Confederacy” people are all upset.

 

[Weezer]

Oof this is a huge stretch

Is it? People tend to be selective with outrage.

 

[Weezer]

I recognize our past issues as a nation. The problem is people who harp on it minimize the fact that EVeRY people, race, nation etc has done the exactly same thing over history.

Very true. But keep in mind this discussion is about our country's past.

 

[VolStrom]

The biggest short coming is that we allowed a Neo-Confederates, Pro-Southerners and Lost Causers to change the entire narrative of why the civil war started, who were the real hero’s and why the south actually lost the war. Now you have a situation where historians, activists and the military are pushing back and All the “my grandfather fought For the Confederacy” people are all upset.

The civil war was 150 years ago. I honestly don't gaf about who fought in it, why they fought in it or anything about it other that it is a part of our history.

 

[k-town_king]

Truth hurts son

Not your son or boy.

That you would use that term is pretty telling.

You literally have a second grade at best understanding of American History.

Haha. No. But, I've been a lurker for quite a while now. I feel like i know you unfortunately.

Well crawl back intop your basement. You obviously do not have anything intelligent to add to the conversation

So people with a criminal past shouldn't be celebrated?

Commtting genocide should not be celebrated.

Individuals can make mistakes and redeem themselves.

No survivors made the statues?

Are you saying there were no CW veterans alive when these statues were erected?

No, They were put up in the 1900s. Some vets were alive. But they were the equivalent to WWII vets of today. Not many left and all old. They weren't putting up monuments to their azz kicking.

Sorry you don';t know history. These are commonly known facts.

I didn't say that. I said you hate America. America is the confederacy....maybe thats your hangup?

The confederacy was not American or America. It was an attempt by racist traitors to steal land from the U.S. and create a new non-US nation based on white supremacy. All traitors.



First nations people can not be traitors. They were protecting their rights against invaders.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Not your son or boy.

That you would use that term is pretty telling.

You literally have a second grade at best understanding of American History.



Well crawl back intop your basement. You obviously do not have anything intelligent to add to the conversation



Commtting genocide should not be celebrated.

Individuals can make mistakes and redeem themselves.



No, They were put up in the 1900s. Some vets were alive. But they were the equivalent to WWII vets of today. Not many left and all old. They weren't putting up monuments to their azz kicking.

Sorry you don';t know history. These are commonly known facts.



The confederacy was not American or America. It was an attempt by racist traitors to steal land from the U.S. and create a new non-US nation based on white supremacy. All traitors.



First nations people can not be traitors. They were protecting their rights against invaders.

They openly declared their intent to join their countries to destroy the US whom they made treaties with. Lol. Try again