Richmond is taking down Confederate statues: Is this the end for other Confederate memorials?

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I see this as a total non-issue and a pointless distraction from important subjects. However, I will be interested in seeing the reaction when people take aim at monuments to yankee heroes with troublesome records on race.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
I see this as a total non-issue and a pointless distraction from important subjects. However, I will be interested in seeing the reaction when people take aim at monuments to yankee heroes with troublesome records on race.
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The left has selective outrage when it comes to history. They only rewrite what they dont like.
 
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happy-go_vol said:
The left has selective outrage when it comes to history. They only rewrite what they dont like.
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True in some cases but I think we'll see some people go after monuments to Lincoln, Sherman, Grant, et al, after they've had all the Confederate monuments removed.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
I see this as a total non-issue and a pointless distraction from important subjects. However, I will be interested in seeing the reaction when people take aim at monuments to yankee heroes with troublesome records on race.
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We already saw this at Yale - it's named after some wealthy benefactor who IIRC participated in slave trade. "well that's different".

We've seen calls to disassociate with Thomas Jefferson - some dinner (again IIRC).

Endless
 
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volinbham said:
We already saw this at Yale - it's named after some wealthy benefactor who IIRC participated in slave trade. "well that's different".

We've seen calls to disassociate with Thomas Jefferson - some dinner (again IIRC).

Endless
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I would actually love to see the statue of Lincoln removed from the Lincoln Memorial. Just give it time.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
True in some cases but I think we'll see some people go after monuments to Lincoln, Sherman, Grant, et al, after they've had all the Confederate monuments removed.
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Absolutely, people dont understand that the saul alinsky type groups are controlling this. They'll do away with every monument that recognizes the greatness of this once free country.
 
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The Civil War was the bloodiest in our entire history, a severely life altering event for those who endured it. It was natural for survivors to remember the sacrifices with monuments, but I also think it is natural now for us to also remember the system of slavery at the center of the conflict. People are right to question such monuments lording over us in public spaces. Exaggerated disrespect and hatred for soldiers of that war seem wrong, to me, and unnecessary. I can be okay with removal of the monuments without hating on Confederate soldiers or the people who want to remember them respectfully.
 
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Even if the monuments are historically inaccurate, or are viewed as celebrating the wrong side of history, they are in and of themselves history.

If the goal is to have people learn whatever point you want them to learn from monuments I think the better solution is to build a monument next to the existing ones. Maybe a monument next to Lee showing human suffering of an enslaved person.

You can still argue states rights. You can still point to the evils of slavery. You can still argue the price to be paid for both. You can still argue how America has evolved since.
 
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Vol Main said:
The Civil War was the bloodiest in our entire history, a severely life altering event for those who endured it. It was natural for survivors to remember the sacrifices with monuments, but I also think it is natural now for us to also remember the system of slavery at the center of the conflict. People are right to question such monuments lording over us in public spaces. Exaggerated disrespect and hatred for soldiers of that war seem wrong, to me, and unnecessary. I can be okay with removal of the monuments without hating on Confederate soldiers or the people who want to remember them respectfully.
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No survivors made the statues.

We should be "hating" on traitors that killed real American patriots in the name of kidnapping, murder, and torture.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Even if the monuments are historically inaccurate, or are viewed as celebrating the wrong side of history, they are in and of themselves history.

If the goal is to have people learn whatever point you want them to learn from monuments I think the better solution is to build a monument next to the existing ones. Maybe a monument next to Lee showing human suffering of an enslaved person.

You can still argue states rights. You can still point to the evils of slavery. You can still argue the price to be paid for both. You can still argue how America has evolved since.
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I'm fine with this or with moving them to some place where they can be seen as historic artifacts rather than celebrating them as a indication of beliefs.

I brought up the Pyramids earlier since no one (well almost no one) would suggest they be torn down because of the horrors of how they were built or the atrocities committed by the Pharohs.
 
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k-town_king said:
No survivors made the statues.

We should be "hating" on traitors that killed real American patriots in the name of kidnapping, murder, and torture.
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So people with a criminal past shouldn't be celebrated?
 
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k-town_king said:
No survivors made the statues.

We should be "hating" on traitors that killed real American patriots in the name of kidnapping, murder, and torture.
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No survivors made the statues?

Are you saying there were no CW veterans alive when these statues were erected?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Most had signed treaties so try again. They openly rebelled against the US government including joining foreign countries to kill US citizens.
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The U.S. broke far more treaties with the Native Americans than vice versa. Our treatment of them was absolutely inhumane.
 
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Weezer said:
The U.S. broke far more treaties with the Native Americans than vice versa. Our treatment of them was absolutely inhumane.
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I don’t disagree but let’s not pretend every tribe was the same and just peaceful people hanging out either. Several were bloodthirsty savages and killed Americans from the beginning
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I don’t disagree but let’s not pretend every tribe was the same and just peaceful people hanging out either. Several were bloodthirsty savages and killed Americans from the beginning
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For all intents and purposes, colonists were an invading force. I can see history from both sides. We were conquerors. They were here first.
 
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Weezer said:
For all intents and purposes, colonists were an invading force. I can see history from both sides. We were conquerors. They were here first.
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They had conquered other tribes and peoples to settle the same land as well
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
They had conquered other tribes and peoples to settle the same land as well
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Maybe, but you cannot argue Native Americans were here first. You also cannot argue we treated them inhumanely. You act as if you cannot own our ugly past. It is what it is. We cannot change the past, just recognize it for what it was. Don't let reverence blind you to truth.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
I see this as a total non-issue and a pointless distraction from important subjects. However, I will be interested in seeing the reaction when people take aim at monuments to yankee heroes with troublesome records on race.
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I’m fine with that. Don’t think it will be that interesting
 
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