Richmond is taking down Confederate statues: Is this the end for other Confederate memorials?

[Pepe_Silvia]

 

[TNVOLNAVY]

Nat Turner Statue In Richmond, Virginia

List Of People Murdered By Nat Turner And His Followers:

Joseph Travers, his wife and three CHILDREN

Mrs Elizabeth Turner

Hartwell Prebles

Sarah Newsome

Mrs P. Reese and SON.

Trajan Doyle

Henry Bryant, his WIFE, CHILD, and his wife's mother.

Mrs Catherine Whitehead, her son, Richard, Four DAUGHTERS, and one GRANDCHILD

Salathiel Francis

Nathaniel Francis, and two CHILDREN

John T. Barrow

George Vaughn

Mrs Levi Waller and TEN CHILDREN

William Williams, his wife and two BOYS.

Mrs Caswell Worrell and Child

Mrs Rebecca Vaughn

Ann Eliza Vaughn, and her SON, Arthur

Mrs John K. Williams and CHILD

Mrs Jacob Williams and CHILD

Edwin Drury

Seems the modern day version of Nat Turner just showed up.


"Some White People May Have to Die for Black Communities to Be Made Whole" - Far Left UGA Teaching Assistant on Black Lives Matter Movement

 

[KB5252]

That’s fair but I’ve had a hard time finding books about him. The problem is twofold imo.
1) authors that are sympathetic and excuse some reprehensible behavior ie Ft. Pillow
2) authors that have an axe to grind and excuse any positive attribute as pernicious.

I’m not saying it’s not true but due to his penchant for being involved in every cause that subjugated oppression upon blacks, I would need extraordinary evidence that he redeemed himself in regards to equality for blacks.

There are some speeches from later in life I've read where I was surprised by the attitude and view he took, very contrary to his earlier years. I can't remember the name but one book I read credited his devout Christian wife as the catalyst for his change in attitude. The books I've read made no excuses for Ft Pillow but let's be honest there were massacres committed by both sides but that was one of the harshest imo.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Churchill Escapes Vandalisation by BLM as Police Finally Post Officers to Protect Statue

The recently “unboxed” statue of Sir Winston Churchill remained unscathed at Black Lives Matter protests in London as the Metropolitan Police (Met) finally stationed officers to guard the monument to Britain’s wartime leader.

Police Finally Post Officers to Protect Churchill from BLM

 

[tntar heel]

Bye-Bye Teddy!!!!


Theodore Roosevelt statue will be removed from the front steps of the Museum of Natural History

A controversial statue of President Theodore Roosevelt will be removed from the steps of the American Museum of Natural History.

 

[NashVol11]

How will we remember our history???

 

[TheDeeble]

People can’t walk past a statue today in the US without being arrested or shot? Statues are borders separating countries?

 

[Weezer]

I'm beginning to think ALL public statues should be removed because someone is bound to be offended.

 

[NashVol11]

People can’t walk past a statue today in the US without being arrested or shot? Statues are borders separating countries?

This is an argument that the Berlin Wall is “worse” than Confederate statues, while conveniently sidestepping the “erasing history” concern constantly spouted on here

 

[NashVol11]

I'm beginning to think ALL public statues should be removed because someone is bound to be offended.

Put up an abolitionist instead of a Confederate and no one except Confederate flag wavers would be offended

 

[Weezer]

We should also eliminate all monuments. Anything that honors anyone should be eliminated, renamed, whatever. Just so as no one is offended.


It's time for newspeak. We need Big Brother.

 

[Weezer]

Put up an abolitionist instead of a Confederate and no one except Confederate flag wavers would be offended

Even if true, do they not have as much a right as anyone to be offended? Or should laws and such only favor the side you choose?

 

[Boston Vol]

Put up an abolitionist instead of a Confederate and no one except Confederate flag wavers would be offended

You mean like the John Whittier statue?

 

[NashVol11]

We should also eliminate all monuments. Anything that honors anyone should be eliminated, renamed, whatever. Just so as no one is offended.


It's time for newspeak. We need Big Brother.

If taking down racist/slaveowner statues makes you concerned for ALL statues, that should tell you something about who we’ve chosen to honor

 

[NashVol11]

Even if true, do they not have as much a right as anyone to be offended? Or should laws and such only favor the side you choose?

No, that’s trash. Should we stop hiring black people because the KKK might be offended? Do we need to take their side of the story into account?

 

[Weezer]

No, that’s trash. Should we stop hiring black people because the KKK might be offended? Do we need to take their side of the story into account?

So the only offense that matters is your offense? You want people to care what offends you, while not caring about what others might find offensive?

It's not just about Confederate statues anymore. All kinds of statues are being torn down because people are acting blindly, and ignorantly.

 

[NashVol11]

So the only offense that matters is your offense? You want people to care what offends you, while not caring about what others might find offensive?

It's not just about Confederate statues anymore. All kinds of statues are being torn down because people are acting blindly, and ignorantly.

I noticed you didn’t answer my question. If I were trying to “both sides” everything I wouldn’t either.

No, I don’t care what Klan members, Nazis, or Confederate supporters find offensive. You can weep for those groups if you wish.

 

[Rickyvol77]

If taking down racist/slaveowner statues makes you concerned for ALL statues, that should tell you something about who we’ve chosen to honor

Anyone who thinks that Teddy Roosevelt, Washington, Jefferson, Churchill, Ghandi, and actual abolitionist statutes that are being vandalized and torn down should be, is clinically insane

 

[NashVol11]

Anyone who thinks that Teddy Roosevelt, Washington, Jefferson, Churchill, Ghandi, and actual abolitionist statutes that are being vandalized and torn down should be, is clinically insane

Gandhi was openly and disgustingly racist, I don’t blame them

 

[Weezer]

If taking down racist/slaveowner statues makes you concerned for ALL statues, that should tell you something about who we’ve chosen to honor

I question your intelligence in that you cannot seem to grasp the danger of mob rule and simply giving in to outrage rather than having conversation. I'm not against the removal of statues if decided in the proper way. I'm against angry mobs believing they should get their way just because they can. They should be taking pictures when these statues are toppled and arresting those involved. NOT because I disagree with their opinion, but because their method is unlawful. How you do something matters.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Gandhi was openly and disgustingly racist, I don’t blame them

And Roosevelt, Washington, Jefferson, Churchill? It is your opinion that we should not honor them at all?

 

[NashVol11]

I question your intelligence in that you cannot seem to grasp the danger of mob rule and simply giving in to outrage rather than having conversation. I'm not against the removal of statues if decided in the proper way. I'm against angry mobs believing they should get their way just because they can. They should be taking pictures when these statues are toppled and arresting those involved. NOT because I disagree with their opinion, but because their method is unlawful. How you do something matters.

I question your intelligence for getting worked up over “the danger” and want everything to be resolved in an orderly, proper way when almost no change in this country’s history has happened that way

 

[Weezer]

I noticed you didn’t answer my question. If I were trying to “both sides” everything I wouldn’t either.

No, I don’t care what Klan members, Nazis, or Confederate supporters find offensive. You can weep for those groups if you wish.

lmao I don't agree or support the ideas of bigotry from any side, but when you start taking voices away, how long until your own is taken from you? Do you put any thought into the hate you spew? It's not about weeping for anyone. It's about everyone is entitled to freedom of speech, not just the people who say what we like. As much as I hate their message, they have the right to speak it.

 

[NashVol11]

And Roosevelt, Washington, Jefferson, Churchill? It is your opinion that we should not honor them at all?

If people decide that enslaving 600 human beings makes one unworthy of a statue, I have no problem with it. No one is forgetting them

 

[NashVol11]

lmao I don't agree or support the ideas of bigotry from any side, but when you start taking voices away, how long until your own is taken from you? Do you put any thought into the hate you spew? It's not about weeping for anyone. It's about everyone is entitled to freedom of speech, not just the people who say what we like. As much as I hate their message, they have the right to speak it.

Talking about “the hate I spew” while sticking up for the Klan’s feelings, you might be a little turned around here lol

No one is taking away anyone’s right to speak, stop making things up. You’re saying we should consider how things like equality for black people might “offend” the Klan members of the world and we should hear them out.