Right Wingers Happier Than Left Wingers

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volinbham said:
get over yourself and open your mind - maybe people further right on the continuum just have more optimism

the "low expectations" moniker is just bigotry.
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Good grief.

Where did I say repubs had "low expectations"?

Did you say people on the left are pessimistic? If so, get over yourself and your bigotry.
If not, then you should see your dilemma.
 
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luthervol said:
I think it's primarily that liberals have higher expectations in general.

It's like if two people go to a movie, one expects the movie to be great and the other has zero expectations, they both grade the movie at about a 6 but one is disappointed while the other is relatively pleased.
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Dam luther
Is it not implied to be "lower" if the other is "higher"?
 
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volinbham said:
do you have any evidence that narcissism is higher in people who lean right?

the notion that the world is totally f'd is refuted by almost every measure.
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I wasn't trying to make that claim, I was just using a hypothetical to illustrate the sampling bias and that only certain disorders are gonna get diagnosed by a GP.

FWIW, the hypothetical was based on my Mom, who is possibly a narcissist (she's a good person with some odd tendencies) who is a Republican who would never see a therapist to get diagnosed for anything. In fact, if a GP told her she might have depression, she would probably tell these pollsters she doesn't have a disorder.

IDK what you mean with the last part
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Can't. Won't be voting for her. Plus, she's been VP anyway.

But of course, you actually think Trump is a great candidate. Statements like "we need Trump" are one of the many reasons your credibility can't reach anything beyond a right wing echo chamber
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Well, let me explain something. Trump has actually BEEN President before. So we have seen his performance which makes the usual stupid “democrat” fear playbook pretty pathetic. In his four years, he didn’t “end democracy”, become a dictator, jail his opponents, or have any major foreign policy slip ups. In the contrary, those four years (at least until the Chinese unleashed Covid) were EASILY the best four years of my life. Groceries and gas were affordable, I could take vacations, there were no new wars started. Even Putin kept his head down. My income grew faster than inflation which means my buying power was greater.
So I think it is hilarious they way Libs keep trying to gaslight us by saying Trump is dangerous. The man has had the job before and we gave him an excellent performance review. Now you want to make him the cosmic boogeyman. Sorry, ain’t buying what you all are selling.
 
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luthervol said:
Good grief.

Where did I say repubs had "low expectations"?

Did you say people on the left are pessimistic, if so, get over yourself.
If not, then you should see your dilemma.
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the post I quoted of yours was an analogy (movie) of someone having high expectations and the other having no expectations (seems low).

I simply suggested optimism as an alternative explanation but mostly you'll see I do not make blanket generalizations about people based on political leanings.

so again I suggest getting over yourself for labeling an entire group as having higher (or not a high) expectations.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I wasn't trying to make that claim, I was just using a hypothetical to illustrate the sampling bias and that only certain disorders are gonna get diagnosed by a GP.

FWIW, the hypothetical was based on my Mom, who is possibly a narcissist (she's a good person with some odd tendencies) who is a Republican who would never see a therapist to get diagnosed for anything. In fact, if a GP told her she might have depression, she would probably tell these pollsters she doesn't have a disorder.

IDK what you mean with the last part
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on the last part I interpreted you as saying the world was totally f'd but objective data shows historically it is less f'd than ever on most measures
 
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just bob said:
I'll regret this, but what does trumpism have to do with my post?


Lefties today would never have reached 25 back in the day.
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No one really would. Hell, I'm decently versed in bushcraft and primitive survival... would still reduce to dust before 30 in the frontier era.
 
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volinbham said:
on the last part I interpreted you as saying the world was totally f'd but objective data shows historically it is less f'd than ever on most measures
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I'm just talking about the perception cited in OP as a contributing factor to unhappiness. Both sides have groups that think the world is ****ed but on the right it doesn't affect happiness like it does the left. I would say a narcissist doesn't care but it makes an anxious person spiral. That's why I mentioned it.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Well, let me explain something. Trump has actually BEEN President before. So we have seen his performance which makes the usual stupid “democrat” fear playbook pretty pathetic. In his four years, he didn’t “end democracy”, become a dictator, jail his opponents, or have any major foreign policy slip ups. In the contrary, those four years (at least until the Chinese unleashed Covid) were EASILY the best four years of my life. Groceries and gas were affordable, I could take vacations, there were no new wars started. Even Putin kept his head down. My income grew faster than inflation which means my buying power was greater.
So I think it is hilarious they way Libs keep trying to gaslight us by saying Trump is dangerous. The man has had the job before and we gave him an excellent performance review. Now you want to make him the cosmic boogeyman. Sorry, ain’t buying what you all are selling.
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🤭🤭🤭🤭🤣🤣🤣
 
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n_huffhines said:
I'm just talking about the perception cited in OP as a contributing factor to unhappiness. Both sides have groups that think the world is ****ed but on the right it doesn't affect happiness like it does the left. I would say a narcissist doesn't care but it makes an anxious person spiral. That's why I mentioned it.
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I think the difference between the left and right crowds who think the world is effed have different outlooks because of how they address the world being effed.

The left tend to want to avoid short term pain, and don't do long term planning. so as they see their last short term plans not have the desired outcome, their outlook towards things being bad turn sour.

on the right, you are going to have more of the prepper vibe. and they prepare for the bad. so as the short term thinking of our government fails, it doesn't really matter too much because they are prepared for the bad.

an analogy: It rains on everyone. Someone on the right is more likely to have an umbrella or rain coat, and not make outdoor plans that day. so the negative of the rain is mitigated and they don't mind as much. someone on the left would have been more likely to hope that it doesn't rain and ruin their plans. so when it rains not only are they not prepared for it, but it ruins their plans too.

there is no such thing as bad weather, only improper attire and planning.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I'm just talking about the perception cited in OP as a contributing factor to unhappiness. Both sides have groups that think the world is ****ed but on the right it doesn't affect happiness like it does the left. I would say a narcissist doesn't care but it makes an anxious person spiral. That's why I mentioned it.
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I wanted this to be a different post, because its a different angle to the outlook from the above.

someone on the right is more likely to think "Its raining." with the implication that its raining every where.
someone on the left is more likely to think "its raining on me". with the implication that they are being wronged.

how you address/view the problem goes a long way to shaping your reaction to it.
 
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LouderVol said:
I think the difference between the left and right crowds who think the world is effed have different outlooks because of how they address the world being effed.

The left tend to want to avoid short term pain, and don't do long term planning. so as they see their last short term plans not have the desired outcome, their outlook towards things being bad turn sour.

on the right, you are going to have more of the prepper vibe. and they prepare for the bad. so as the short term thinking of our government fails, it doesn't really matter too much because they are prepared for the bad.

an analogy: It rains on everyone. Someone on the right is more likely to have an umbrella or rain coat, and not make outdoor plans that day. so the negative of the rain is mitigated and they don't mind as much. someone on the left would have been more likely to hope that it doesn't rain and ruin their plans. so when it rains not only are they not prepared for it, but it ruins their plans too.

there is no such thing as bad weather, only improper attire and planning.
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Seems like a pretty big stretch that prepping is why they are unphased by the world being ****ed

I would say religiosity explains a lot of it. If you think there is a heaven, that you're going, that the world has always been full of sin and peril and your scripture prophesies it gets worse, and that this life is in service of getting to that final destination...the Christian sees a headline that an earthquake killed 5,000 people and thinks what a tragedy, then God has a mansion for the innocents, and then maybe this is a sign God is coming back...while the atheist is hung on the thought that this is a tragedy.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Seems like a pretty big stretch that prepping is why they are unphased by the world being ****ed

I would say religiosity explains a lot of it. If you think there is a heaven, that you're going, that the world has always been full of sin and peril and your scripture prophesies it gets worse, and that this life is in service of getting to that final destination...the Christian sees a headline that an earthquake killed 5,000 people and thinks what a tragedy, then God has a mansion for the innocents, and then maybe this is a sign God is coming back...while the atheist is hung on the thought that this is a tragedy.
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prepping covers more than just physical prepping.

wouldn't there be a significant number of believers who are going to blame God? Especially when its personal? Why did God let X happen? Yeah the doubters say that all the time as a dig, but there are plenty of believers who think He is directly responsible for everything. so I don't think its blanket coverage. plenty like me who are more indifferent about the blame/escape that God/Heaven offers to disasters too.

I am a believer, I don't think God is to blame for disasters, and I don't comfort myself thinking they went to heaven.

I didn't dive into their numbers on happiness, but is the difference in happiness directly related to the levels of religion in each?
 
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LouderVol said:
wouldn't there be a significant number of believers who are going to blame God? Especially when its personal? Why did God let X happen? Yeah the doubters say that all the time as a dig, but there are plenty of believers who think He is directly responsible for everything. so I don't think its blanket coverage. plenty like me who are more indifferent about the blame/escape that God/Heaven offers to disasters too.

I am a believer, I don't think God is to blame for disasters, and I don't comfort myself thinking they went to heaven.
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You may not comfort yourself this way, but life has lower stakes if you think there is heaven. For an atheist, this is all there is.

IDK what the first paragraph has to do with anything. If a fraction of US believers have a crisis of faith because Taiwan is under water, then they are no longer part of the religious group that we are talking about.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You may not comfort yourself this way, but life has lower stakes if you think there is heaven. For an atheist, this is all there is.

IDK what the first paragraph has to do with anything. If a fraction of US believers have a crisis of faith because Taiwan is under water, then they are no longer part of the religious group that we are talking about.
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having a crisis of faith causes one to switch political beliefs too? the link I saw wasn't just between religious and non-religious.

I would also argue that life has higher stakes if you believe people, including yourself, were put there on purpose, by a greater being with some type of purpose.

regardless I doubt the "stakes" have direct, or at least 1:1 relationship with the resulting happiness.
 
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LouderVol said:
having a crisis of faith causes one to switch political beliefs too? the link I saw wasn't just between religious and non-religious.

I would also argue that life has higher stakes if you believe people, including yourself, were put there on purpose, by a greater being with some type of purpose.

regardless I doubt the "stakes" have direct, or at least 1:1 relationship with the resulting happiness.
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Huh?

Your logic appears to be my theory has a hole in it because sometimes people have a crisis of faith. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but if that is your argument....

If a fraction right wingers stop being religious, the right as a whole is still more religious than the left-wingers, who also have religious people who stop being religious. So IDK what your point is.
 
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...and now that you mention it, quite a few people do switch party affiliations after leaving certain religions.

The joke among my ilk is that other ex-Mormons trade in the LDS church for the church of liberalism (because of course you have to turn on your parents'/the patriarchy's politics, too). Probably doesn't happen as much in less rigid religious upbringings.
 
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n_huffhines said:
...and now that you mention it, quite a few people do switch party affiliations after leaving certain religions.

The joke among my ilk is that other ex-Mormons trade in the LDS church for the church of liberalism (because of course you have to turn on your parents'/the patriarchy's politics, too). Probably doesn't happen as much in less rigid religious upbringings.
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it happens, but it isn't required to happen. my issue with your argument is that you imply a 1:1:1 ratio, and I don't think that exists. and I don't think that was the original implication, maybe the argument has wandered too far from the op.

a person can have a crisis of faith, and still lean right, and maintain or theoretically improve their happiness, assuming the religion/belief was wrong.
a person can lean right, be unhappy, and not be religious.
a person can be happy, and not be religious, or lean to the right.

and any combination there of. changing one thing, doesn't require a change in any of the others. there is definitely some overlap, but I think its correlation and not causation, at least as a rule. which to me implies that happiness is not derived from the implicit fact of being right leaning or religious, that seems to be the current argument. maybe I am wrong about the current argument, but that is what I am taking exception to.
 
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