Right Wingers Happier Than Left Wingers

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LouderVol said:
it happens, but it isn't required to happen. my issue with your argument is that you imply a 1:1:1 ratio, and I don't think that exists. and I don't think that was the original implication, maybe the argument has wandered too far from the op.

a person can have a crisis of faith, and still lean right, and maintain or theoretically improve their happiness, assuming the religion/belief was wrong.
a person can lean right, be unhappy, and not be religious.
a person can be happy, and not be religious, or lean to the right.

and any combination there of. changing one thing, doesn't require a change in any of the others. there is definitely some overlap, but I think its correlation and not causation, at least as a rule. which to me implies that happiness is not derived from the implicit fact of being right leaning or religious, that seems to be the current argument. maybe I am wrong about the current argument, but that is what I am taking exception to.
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I have such a hard time getting on the same page as you.

It sounds like you're saying because there are exceptions to the rule, then you will conclude it's not causation, it's correlation? I would say that's a non-sequitur conclusion. There are of course exceptions to every rule, including rules where there is a causal relationship.

But I don't even know how we got there to causation vs. correlation. Are you saying religion doesn't make people happier? This is all very confusing to me.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I have such a hard time getting on the same page as you.

It sounds like you're saying because there are exceptions to the rule, then you will conclude it's not causation, it's correlation? I would say that's a non-sequitur conclusion. There are of course exceptions to every rule, including rules where there is a causal relationship.

But I don't even know how we got there to causation vs. correlation. Are you saying religion doesn't make people happier? This is all very confusing to me.
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I am saying the rule isn't what you think it is. because imo there are more exceptions to your rule, than there are rule "followers".

I think it goes far beyond religion=happiness. its part of it for some people. but its certainly not a requirement for happiness, as a rule would imply. And I don't even think that among the religious it was be the sole, or largest factor playing into their happiness, again implying its not the rule.

I think those that tend to find/keep their religious-ness live the types of lives that contribute to their overall happiness. and that if their religion just magically disappeared, I don't think their outlook on life would change overly much, if everything else stayed the same.

I think those with "conservative" tendencies tend to focus on the things that make humans generally happy. across cultures, time, creed, etc. but that tendency is not from/because/for religion, its just that "conversative" tendency lifestyle overall leans a certain way. while the people with "liberal" tendencies tend to focus on more immediate gratification but long term lacking acts, across culture, time, creed, etc.

I put both "conservative" and "liberal" in quotations purposefully. I don't think the political meaning of those words has anything to do with the debate. or at least not a direct 1:1. a person can be personally conservative and still be politically liberal. and vice versa. but people who are personally conservative are going to naturally fall more on the political conservative side as well; just because of the tendencies/preferences. but it isn't 100% of them.
 
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LouderVol said:
I am saying the rule isn't what you think it is. because imo there are more exceptions to your rule, than there are rule "followers".

I think it goes far beyond religion=happiness. its part of it for some people. but its certainly not a requirement for happiness, as a rule would imply. And I don't even think that among the religious it was be the sole, or largest factor playing into their happiness, again implying its not the rule.

I think those that tend to find/keep their religious-ness live the types of lives that contribute to their overall happiness. and that if their religion just magically disappeared, I don't think their outlook on life would change overly much, if everything else stayed the same.

I think those with "conservative" tendencies tend to focus on the things that make humans generally happy. across cultures, time, creed, etc. but that tendency is not from/because/for religion, its just that "conversative" tendency lifestyle overall leans a certain way. while the people with "liberal" tendencies tend to focus on more immediate gratification but long term lacking acts, across culture, time, creed, etc.

I put both "conservative" and "liberal" in quotations purposefully. I don't think the political meaning of those words has anything to do with the debate. or at least not a direct 1:1. a person can be personally conservative and still be politically liberal. and vice versa. but people who are personally conservative are going to naturally fall more on the political conservative side as well; just because of the tendencies/preferences. but it isn't 100% of them.
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A rule doesn't indicate that at all unless the rule specifically states it's a requirement.

Buddy, I don't get how you arrive at half the things you say and I don't have time for this.
 
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utvolpj said:
He made jailing his opponents a campaign promise, chant and slogan
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I don't think HE started that, but OK... Did he follow through? How many are in jail right now? How many J6 political prisoners... and make no doubt that is what they are... are there?
 
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McDad said:
Why did it make you laugh?
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Just the idea that a tribe would be happier if there are dominant negative attitudes towards the other tribe has my cynical side laughing. Unfortunately, it's part of being human. The guy who wrote Sapiens has some pretty good explanations as to why this is part of our nature.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Just the idea that a tribe would be happier if there are dominant negative attitudes towards the other tribe has my cynical side laughing. Unfortunately, it's part of being human. The guy who wrote Sapiens has some pretty good explanations as to why this is part of our nature.
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Comparison is part of existence. Are you wealthy? The only way to know is to compare with others. Is this product at a good price? How would we know if there wasn't a comparison. My happiness is relative as well.

We are interesting.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Just the idea that a tribe would be happier if there are dominant negative attitudes towards the other tribe has my cynical side laughing. Unfortunately, it's part of being human. The guy who wrote Sapiens has some pretty good explanations as to why this is part of our nature.
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Access to broadband.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
As someone who is considered right wing...I look at liberals and think how stressful it must be to walk on egg shells all the time to not offend someone, and virtue signal...
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That's funny. As someone who is considered left wing, I take pride and basically not letting anything offend me.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
So words are the same as action or is there a difference?
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I'm being told Trump has big promises this time so people should vote for him. Those same people seem to ignore actions in place of words.

So we should just ignore someone making campaign promises to jail their opponents until they actually do it?

Are you going to tell all those posters screeching about Kamala and gun control that it's just words? She hasn't actually done anything
 
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n_huffhines said:
The two sides are indistinguishable on this.
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True. You constantly hear political partisans say, "We live in two separate realities!" There is of course only one possible reality and I've yet to meet anyone obsessed with partisan us vs. them politics, who lives there.

It is especially strange that my friends who seem the least happy and most angry all live in states where their chosen party, whether red or blue, control every single aspect of government. You'd think that with no opposition, these states would be a bit more utopian every day! But vague, evil forces elsewhere (often groups with little political power that each side can afford to write off) are always somehow foiling their progress or their ability to MAGA.

These are also the folks who most obsess over presidential politics, despite the fact that their votes in that race are totally irrelevant in the Electoral College.

There does seem to be a movement of people getting off of the algorithms and getting back outside now, though I'm not sure I approve of that, either. A lot of my good fishing spots are being taken up again.
 
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McDad said:
Comparison is part of existence. Are you wealthy? The only way to know is to compare with others. Is this product at a good price? How would we know if there wasn't a comparison. My happiness is relative as well.

We are interesting.
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The comparison is whatever. I'm specifically looking at the idea that there are predominant negative attitudes involved. It'd be like the wealthy enjoying their wealth more if they dislike the poor.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The comparison is whatever. I'm specifically looking at the idea that there are predominant negative attitudes involved. It'd be like the wealthy enjoying their wealth more if they dislike the poor.
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Exactly. Many do. I have friends of means who hold blue collar folks in contempt.

Silly if you ask me, but that is definitely a thing.

I think some posters here feel better about their agnosticism / atheism after poking at the christians.
 
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utvolpj said:
I'm being told Trump has big promises this time so people should vote for him. Those same people seem to ignore actions in place of words.

So we should just ignore someone making campaign promises to jail their opponents until they actually do it?

Are you going to tell all those posters screeching about Kamala and gun control that it's just words? She hasn't actually done anything
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Yea unless she had voted for gun control before... Point is only Trump said it... But then says that not what the US does... I'll take that over the opposite.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
That's funny. As someone who is considered left wing, I take pride and basically not letting anything offend me.
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Except Christians, and conservatives.. And anyone else who doesn't accept your rainbow agenda... Or that you believe to be racist.. Yes the left is very unoffended... Still got your pink vag hat?
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Yea unless she had voted for gun control before... Point is only Trump said it... But then says that not what the US does... I'll take that over the opposite.
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Is that really how the "Lock her up" chant ended? Just admit you're OK with one side saying it but not the other

BTW Trump actually did try to move on guns and it was declared unconstitutional. But let's fear the other side's words more
 
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