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#503
evillawyer said:
Would there have been a pandemic without the other myriad things that had to take place? All of those other things are contributing causes to the pandemic.
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Any follow on failures which may or may not have occurred only address those localized consequences urine smelling cat lady. The lab release factors into a causation of every resulting death because it is the initial act. The follow on actions only address the localized fallout. We are thankfully not responsible for those morons in Australia killing service dogs which is a direct result of the initial lab leak. The ChiComs are as their lab leak resulted in that consequence
 
#504
#504
evillawyer said:
Would there have been a pandemic without the other myriad things that had to take place? All of those other things are contributing causes to the pandemic.
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Absolutely. The failures of the Chinese made a pandemic utterly inevitable. The intervening causes contributed to the scale of the pandemic, but not the existence of the pandemic.
 
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bamawriter said:
Absolutely. The failures of the Chinese made a pandemic utterly inevitable. The intervening causes contributed to the scale of the pandemic, but not the existence of the pandemic.
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A pandemic is necessarily going to involve causally relevant actions/omissions by other countries and citizens. If every country had instituted strick lockdown and containment measures like China -- and I'm not saying they should have--would there have been a pandemic (as opposed to localized outbreaks)? Probably not.
 
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evillawyer said:
A pandemic is necessarily going to involve causally relevant actions/omissions by other countries and citizens. If every country had instituted strick lockdown and containment measures like China -- and I'm not saying they should have--would there have been a pandemic (as opposed to localized outbreaks)? Probably not.
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Had. The. Lab. Leak. Never. Happened. No. Pandemic. Would. Have. Ever. Occurred. PERIOD!

Stop the stupidly cat turd.
 
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Is this the latest talking point stupidity? The pandemic is all of our faults we share equal blame with the ChiComs!

Holy hell I guess it’s gonna come out we were involved in the actual lab research then if we have idiots carrying this kind of water.
 
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evillawyer said:
A pandemic is necessarily going to involve causally relevant actions/omissions by other countries and citizens. If every country had instituted strick lockdown and containment measures like China -- and I'm not saying they should have--would there have been a pandemic (as opposed to localized outbreaks)? Probably not.
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I don't buy anything about China's numbers, so I am ambivalent to the efficacy of strict lockdowns.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I’ll agree that this reasoning applies to 100% of the people who got sick last year and some of the people who got sick this year.

At this point, the risk is known and people who fail to take reasonable precautions share some responsibility for what befalls them.
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I’ve been referring to the pandemic in general
 
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bamawriter said:
I don't buy anything about China's numbers, so I am ambivalent to the efficacy of strict lockdowns.
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But you agree with the argument that you cannot simply move (without further argument) from the claim (1) If A had not done B, then C would not have occured, to (2) It is A's fault that C. Correct?
 
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evillawyer said:
You're not following the argument. Maybe time for you to go back to the kiddie table and let the adults discuss.
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Oh yes I am. Youre making a stupid ass distributed blame excuse as the only way the pandemic resulted instead of putting it squarely where it belongs with the origin at China

Maybe you should just wander out the door with that stupidity? 🤡
 
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evillawyer said:
But you agree with the argument that you cannot simply move (without further argument) from the claim (1) If A had not done B, then C would not have occured, to (2) It is A's fault that C. Correct?
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Without A, C never happens. It all starts with A. And you’re not convincing anybody otherwise cat turd.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Without A, C never happens. It all starts with A. And you’re not convincing anybody otherwise cat turd.
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Oh we can play this game all night. I love causation games.

Here's one I've always loved. You and I both wanna kill a third person. We know he plans to go hiking tomorrow. I sneak into his stuff, drain the water from his canteen, and replace it with poison. Shortly after that, you sneak into his stuff and drain the fluid from the canteen, thinking it's water. The next day the man dies when he had nothing to drink. Who is the cause of his death? He didn't drink the poison, so I couldn't have killed him. All you did was remove poison from his canteen, preventing him from dying from poison.
 
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evillawyer said:
Oh we can play this game all night. I love causation games.

Here's one I've always loved. You and I both wanna kill a third person. We know he plans to go hiking tomorrow. I sneak into his stuff, drain the water from his canteen, and replace it with poison. Shortly after that, you sneak into his stuff and drain the fluid from the canteen, thinking it's water. The next day the man dies when he had nothing to drink. Who is the cause of his death? He didn't drink the poison, so I couldn't have killed him. All you did was remove poison from his canteen, preventing him from dying from poison.
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Without the lab release there is no pandemic. Didn’t read your post because it isn’t relevant but I’m sure it’s another stupid analogy.
 
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Tyler Durden said:
Are you sure, sentences later you say this.


So you are in fact calling his family liars.



I don't believe in that nonsense, but your guesses along with everything else you say is grounded in conspiratorial thinking, so I'm sure this wouldn't turn out how you expect it too either.
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Right ...me living it and stating facts and you guessing it makes me conspiratorial. Perfect.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Without the lab release there is no pandemic. Didn’t read your post because it isn’t relevant but I’m sure it’s another stupid analogy.
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I can come up with millions of things that if they hadn't happened there would have been no pandemic. Both before and after the leak.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
Right ...me living it and stating facts and you guessing it makes me conspiratorial. Perfect.
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You're the same person who was all over Q's nutsack a year ago. Just about every post I've seen you make you suggest a conspiracy of some sort. Yes, that makes you conspiratorial.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
No you can’t. Because without the leak there is no pandemic. Go study up for the next paralegal continuing education course cat turd.
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Been no pandemic if the virus had never been harvested and studied either (before the leak). There would have been no pandemic if the person(s) infected had immediately isolated (after the leak). See how easy this is.
 
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evillawyer said:
Been no pandemic if the virus had never been harvested and studied either (before the leak). There would have been no pandemic if the person(s) infected had immediately isolated (after the leak). See how easy this is.
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I see how easy it is for you to deflect from the basic premise that the Chinese lab leak resulted in a world wide pandemic.

Or that wandering off on this side discussion deflects from the stupidity you’ve been putting forth the last few pages. Womp womp 🤡

Please tell me you use better cognitive skills when appealing to your lawyer to let you do the research on the practice’s really important traffic cases.
 
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evillawyer said:
But you agree with the argument that you cannot simply move (without further argument) from the claim (1) If A had not done B, then C would not have occured, to (2) It is A's fault that C. Correct?
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It depends on the situation. In your Dahmer's parents example you're correct. C (the murders) would not have happened if A (Dahmer being conceived) had not occurred. But C is not the fault of A. But that's because B (Dahmer) is a living, sentient being who was responsible for his own actions. A did not cause B to do C.

But in this case B is not a sentient being with the ability to make its own decisions. And the Chinese bear responsibility not just for the lab leak but for an egregious failure to act when the disease began spreading. The Chinese are not Dahmer's parents having brought this being into the world with no way of knowing the danger it would present decades later. They knew how serious this bug could be and they failed to act when it escaped.

That does not absolve any other government for their subsequent failures, and it doesn't absolve any individual who doesn't take responsibility for his own safety and how his actions might affect others.
 
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bamawriter said:
It depends on the situation. In your Dahmer's parents example you're correct. C (the murders) would not have happened if A (Dahmer being conceived) had not occurred. But C is not the fault of A. But that's because B (Dahmer) is a living, sentient being who was responsible for his own actions. A did not cause B to do C.

But in this case B is not a sentient being with the ability to make its own decisions. And the Chinese bear responsibility not just for the lab leak but for an egregious failure to act when the disease began spreading. The Chinese are not Dahmer's parents having brought this being into the world with no way of knowing the danger it would present decades later. They knew how serious this bug could be and they failed to act when it escaped.

That does not absolve any other government for their subsequent failures, and it doesn't absolve any individual who doesn't take responsibility for his own safety and how his actions might affect others.
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Just another really stupid analogy in a very long and growing list of stupid analogies 🤷‍♂️

And an “attorney” is putting forth this level of shiite? 😂
 
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Times like this are when Volnation needs a private message function, so you guys/gals can argue offline.:)
 
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#525
NurseGoodVol said:
Right ...me living it and stating facts and you guessing it makes me conspiratorial. Perfect.
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I'm gonna stick my nose in where it doesn't belong. He wasn't literally on his deathbed when his family made these statements. See my earlier post. The family statement was over three weeks ago. At the time he allegedly told his family this, he wasn't on a ventilator. I'm not sure he was even at a hospital at the time. You and @Tyler Durden are arguing over an incorrect assumption.
 
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