Robert Hubbs SG TN '13

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bleedingTNorange said:
Neither cal or Kiffin are going to not recruit a kid because they're from Knoxville or memphis, that's very naive to say the least.

You really think Cal or Kiffin let a top 10 kid go, because they're from Knoxville or Memphis? Not a snowballs chance in hell that happens.

And it's not just a Cal/Kiffin thing, that's recruiting. You like CCM would avoid a kid from Missouri?
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CCM analogy is a little absurb. I don't think the fanbase is the same for the fighting bears as it is in Knoxville for football and in Memphis for basketball.

My opinion is that Kiffin/Cal can just about pick and choose what players that they want. So for Kiffin, I don't think it's a high priority to try and pull a kid out of Kville no matter how high he was ranked.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Kiffin and Cal are different cases though. Cal was there for 9 years, and was endeared by the city. Many (dumb) Memphis fans still hold a grudge, but he was around in the formative years for these players and did great stuff for the University.

Kiffin was here a year, didn't bother to learn the NCAA rulebook regarding recruiting, etc., ran his mouth and then left. In a few more seasons, people won't even remember he was at UTK.
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You seriously think people in Knox will forget Kiffin?
 
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johnnybravo said:
CCM analogy is a little absurb. I don't think the fanbase is the same for the fighting bears as it is in Knoxville for football and in Memphis for basketball.

My opinion is that Kiffin/Cal can just about pick and choose what players that they want. So for Kiffin, I don't think it's a high priority to try and pull a kid out of Kville no matter how high he was ranked.
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If Kville had football talent like memphis has basketball talent you can bet your a$$ kiffin would be here.

Didn't USC just land a committ from a Tennessee recruit, that Tennessee was recruiting?
 
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johnnybravo said:
Not in Knoxville
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I thought it was east Tennessee, I don't follow football much, so I'm not sure. Like I said, if Knoxville had football talent like Memphis has basketball talent, you're more than naive if you think USC would stay out.

I can see it now, 5 top 50 football players, and USC doesn't recruit one of them, yea ok.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I thought it was east Tennessee, I don't follow football much, so I'm not sure. Like I said, if Knoxville had football talent like Memphis has basketball talent, you're more than naive if you think USC would stay out.

I can see it now, 5 top 50 football players, and USC doesn't recruit one of them, yea ok.
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Well, you might be right, but I just can't see Kiffin or Orgeron, etc sitting at the Alcoa/Maryville game and making it through it. I got a friend on their coaching staff. I'll ask him what his thoughts are and maybe revisit this later.
 
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johnnybravo said:
Well, you might be right, but I just can't see Kiffin or Orgeron, etc sitting at the Alcoa/Maryville game and making it through it. I got a friend on their coaching staff. I'll ask him what his thoughts are and maybe revisit this later.
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I thought this was what you were getting at with Cal and Memphis. Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying at first. When you first said "Memphis was safe from Cal" I took it to mean that Memphis (the city) had soured on Calipari, not the other way around. Same for Kiffin, it's not that Kiffin wouldn't recruit Knoxville if there is a player he wants, but what kind of reception is he going to get from coaches, players and family.

Is this what you were saying?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I remember you saying he'd listen, which I definitely agree with, however I don't remember you saying KY would definitely come calling, thought you just said if they did hubbs would listen.

Like I've said, he's a backup to a backup plan at KY, unless they miss on a lot of guys they won't push hard for him. That's the same thing I said back when it was discussed that KY may come calling.
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What I based my opinion on was that Robert heard a little from UK earlier and his meteoric rise has greatly increased his appeal. I have been high on RH3 for a very long time. I always felt he was a top ten talent and a top ten person. With that being said Kentucky was bound to get in the fold at some point. So maybe I should have said that I felt that his rank among SG in his class WILL have UK calling just based on similar athletes and evals in the past. I just shutter at the thought of him going there
 
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johnnybravo said:
Well, you might be right, but I just can't see Kiffin or Orgeron, etc sitting at the Alcoa/Maryville game and making it through it. I got a friend on their coaching staff. I'll ask him what his thoughts are and maybe revisit this later.
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Ok that makes more sense. I thought you were saying that kiffin wouldn't recruit Knoxville kids, basically out of respect. Actually what you're saying, if now I'm understanding correct, is that he wouldn't recruit kids here because he's afraid he wouldn't be accepted here because basically they wouldn't listen to him....is that what you were meaning basically?

If so, that makes much more sense, and I'd tend to agree with that. I'd expect him to put a feeler out, and see if the kid would een listen, but not pursue hard if the kid immediately showed ill will towards him and USC.
 
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zansdad said:
I thought this was what you were getting at with Cal and Memphis. Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying at first. When you first said "Memphis was safe from Cal" I took it to mean that Memphis (the city) had soured on Calipari, not the other way around. Same for Kiffin, it's not that Kiffin wouldn't recruit Knoxville if there is a player he wants, but what kind of reception is he going to get from coaches, players and family.

Is this what you were saying?
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Basically, reception from coaches, players, family, negative media attention, added security needed, etc.....

With his ability to get just about any player that he wants, I think he would just pass on a kid in Knoxville that he can probably get equal tallent somewhere else.
 
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My two cents.....

Cal is Cal - he will recruit the best players wherever they may reside.

The only way Hubbs gets an offer from Cal is if he strikes out with the Harrison twins and James Young. That's an unlikely situation for both those situations to occur. Still a chance though.
 
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orangelo said:
What I based my opinion on was that Robert heard a little from UK earlier and his meteoric rise has greatly increased his appeal. I have been high on RH3 for a very long time. I always felt he was a top ten talent and a top ten person. With that being said Kentucky was bound to get in the fold at some point. So maybe I should have said that I felt that his rank among SG in his class WILL have UK calling just based on similar athletes and evals in the past. I just shutter at the thought of him going there
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Yea him ending up there would really really suck. As I've said though, they'd have to miss on a lot of guys, many think they're favored with, before they pushed hard/offered hubbs IMO.

Theyve been in on their main guys for this class for awhile now, and he wasn't one of them. Hopefully, ultimately they're good, land the guys that they've been after.
 
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johnnybravo said:
Basically, reception from coaches, players, family, negative media attention, added security needed, etc.....

With his ability to get just about any player that he wants, I think he would just pass on a kid in Knoxville that he can probably get equal tallent somewhere else.
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Ok makes much more sense.

Like I said I'd expect him to call the kid or gauge his interest to see if he'd listen, but if the kid shows no interest I wouldn't expect him to push it.
 
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CatsQueue said:
My two cents.....

Cal is Cal - he will recruit the best players wherever they may reside.

The only way Hubbs gets an offer from Cal is if he strikes out with the Harrison twins and James Young. That's an unlikely situation for both those situations to occur. Still a chance though.
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Yes exactly what I've been saying. He'd have to miss on a lot for him to offer Hubbs. Still a good chance wiggins reclassifies and goes to UK too.

Their 2013 class may trump all Cals others. All seriousness, their 2013 team could have around 5 guys drafted top 10 in all reality, crazy stuff, possibly more depending on if/who returns off this years team.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Yea him ending up there would really really suck. As I've said though, they'd have to miss on a lot of guys, many think they're favored with, before they pushed hard/offered hubbs IMO.

Theyve been in on their main guys for this class for awhile now, and he wasn't one of them. Hopefully, ultimately they're good, land the guys that they've been after.
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I have a general question for all. How big of a difference is there between the #1 and #10 recruit. In a standard year where can the "one and done" line be drawn? What about the lock for the NBA line? Or the All- conference performer line?
 
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The name of the player that commited to USCw is Jalen Ramsey and he is from the Memphis area I think he goes to Memphis east could be wrong though. He was a top 100 kid and plays safety position. Tennessee did want him bad and he was thought to be very high on their board.
 
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orangelo said:
I have a general question for all. How big of a difference is there between the #1 and #10 recruit. In a standard year where can the "one and done" line be drawn? What about the lock for the NBA line? Or the All- conference performer line?
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That's a changing line every year. Also, you alway have your busts. You'll have a top 10 guy just about evey year who's a bust, and a guy outside the top 50 who ends up a one and done.

Typically you have your upper echelon guys, the elite of the elite, thought to be one and dones. Like I said though, there's a different amount of those every year, and you always have your busts, so not really a right/wrong answer.
 
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orangelo said:
I have a general question for all. How big of a difference is there between the #1 and #10 recruit. In a standard year where can the "one and done" line be drawn? What about the lock for the NBA line? Or the All- conference performer line?
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There is no sure fired formula. It will vary from year to year and from situation to situation. The 2013 class is loaded with talent and has probably six or so can't miss one-and-dones. Trying to project what happens would be a crapshoot though.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
I would hope so. The guy was only a Knoxville resident for what, 10 months or so?
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If a friend came to your house hit on your wife, kicked your dog, and told you your house wasn't as good as his old house, made so much noise neighbors called the police and then split before the cops showed up but tried to steal some if your stuff on the way out the door. How long would it take you to forget he was there?
 
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zansdad said:
If a friend came to your house hit on your wife, kicked your dog, and told you your house wasn't as good as his old house, made so much noise neighbors called the police and then split before the cops showed up but tried to steal some if your stuff on the way out the door. How long would it take you to forget he was there?
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You're speaking to a Memphis fan. I know a thing or two about a coach leaving on not-so-good terms.

Get over it, is my advice.
 
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zansdad said:
You were talking about forgetting he was here. Not getting over it. Two different things.
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well, true, I guess. He hardly had enough time to unpack though. Pretty soon people will be calling him "that coach between Fulmer and Dooley. Ole' Whatshisname."
 
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BurninOrange said:
The name of the player that commited to USCw is Jalen Ramsey and he is from the Memphis area I think he goes to Memphis east could be wrong though. He was a top 100 kid and plays safety position. Tennessee did want him bad and he was thought to be very high on their board.
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Ramsey is from Nashville (Brentwood Academy), he was was high in UT's board but UT wasn't as high on his board.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
well, true, I guess. He hardly had enough time to unpack though. Pretty soon people will be calling him "that coach between Fulmer and Dooley. Ole' Whatshisname."
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Our grandchildren will hate the name Kiffin. Maybe the Memphonians might not remember his name, but people from Tennessee will always know the name Kiffin.
 
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