Romney campaign caught lying, red handed

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bamawriter said:
Romney's statement is only false if you don't consider ambassadors members of the Obama administration.
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Bingo . . . It's all semantics. In fact, during the press conference he drew a parallel between his position and what the White House said after the fact when they realized what was in the statement.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
What Romney said was 100% perfectly fine.
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Several members of the GOP disagree:

Peggy Noonan said on Fox news that he had opened himself up to accusations that he was “trying to exploit things politically.”

I belong to the old school of thinking in times of great drama and heightened crisis, and at times when something violent is happening to your people, I always think discretion is the better way to go,” she said. “I don’t feel that Mr. Romney has been doing himself any favors…. When hot things happen, cool words- or no words- is the way to go.”


David Frum wrote on Wednesday, “Politicians must pander, it goes with the job. But they mustn’t leave their fingerprints all over their pandering. The Romney campaign’s attempt to score political points on the killing of American diplomats was a dismal business in every respect.”

Mark Salter, a longtime adviser to Mr. McCain said that the Romney attack was off base.

Sen Dick Lugar: U.S. leaders should unite in redoubling our efforts in the Maghreb and Middle East, practicing the kind of stout diplomacy exemplified by Ambassador Stevens,’’

Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y.: ‘‘Gov. Romney in the big picture is right. ... I would have waited 12, 24 hours and put out a more comprehensive statement.’’

Gordon Johndroe, a top White House aide in George W. Bush’s administration. ‘‘National security issues often require time to unfold that is counter to our win-the-minute news cycle now. ‘Events overseas do not unfold in a way that is convenient for our win-the-hour news cycle. Events happen quickly, but the information at first is very vague and uncertain. ... It takes a while for information to come through and you have to be very careful and cautious when responding.’’

Mitch McConnell of Kentucky said Obama ‘‘correctly tightened the security overseas.’’ Asked about Romney’s remarks, he declined to answer.

John Ullyot, a Republican strategist, said it was a self-inflicted wound: “It’s developed into another distraction that has put foreign policy — not a strong suit for the G.O.P. ticket this time — front and center in an uncomfortable way in a campaign that is becoming less and less about the administration’s job record.”


JOHN SUNUNU: You look at the way things unfolded, you look at the timing of it. They probably should have waited.
 
#155
#155
There's a difference between debating the timing and debating the accuracy.

Personally, I think he should have sent an attack dog out to do what he did yesterday morning and then hold that presser later in the day or even the next day.
 
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#157
The attempt by the GOP and the Romney campaign to make it seem as though Romney's comments were simply a criticism of the Embassy statement are laughable.

This is just getting worse and worse for him.

It will blow over, like everything else. No one will vote based on this one thing. But it certainly is symptomatic of the larger problem, which is that the Romney campaign appears to be run by complete amateurs. Even if he were right, as Noonan said, there was no need to go out on this limb and to so obviously leave yourself open to the attack that you did what you did for political gain at a time when it was not appropriate.
 
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GAVol said:
So far I've seen nothing negative about the administration and I've seen you kill the GOP over taxes with a talking point style attack on their tax policy and their being the party of the wealthy. You're entitled to your opinion of course, but from where I'm sitting, it's hard to believe an independent cant come up with one negative on the Obama Administration.
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So far, I've spent most of my time rebutting name-calling and nonsense. Good does not mean great, and good does not mean perfect. Good means good, and support means support. Why should I criticize the candidate I've chosen as an independent to support? I'd prefer to attack the pack of lies Republicans are telling, so you can understand why I don't support them. I'm also inclined to add a few choice words as an independent about Mitt Romney. Perhaps I should start other threads on those topics. For the record, I do have a few strong criticisms of President Obama, but they are far out-weighed by the woeful failings of the Republicans, in my opinion.
 
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GAVol said:
There's a difference between debating the timing and debating the accuracy.

Personally, I think he should have sent an attack dog out to do what he did yesterday morning and then hold that presser later in the day or even the next day.
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That would have been the wise way to handle it.
He would have been 100% better off today if the campaign had Sen.Jim Demint or someone in congress to do the attacking and sit back and wait.

He started attacking before he knew what was actually happening.

The first reports on something like this are usually wrong. Mitt jumped on the first report. This make Mitt look bad, period.
 
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Gramps said:
The first reports on something like this are usually wrong. Mitt jumped on the first report. This make Mitt look bad, period.
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See, I'm still not seeing that. Romney jumped on the statement from the Embassy in Cairo before anybody knew anything about the killing in Libya. What did he get wrong?
 
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lawgator1 said:
It will blow over, like everything else. No one will vote based on this one thing. But it certainly is symptomatic of the larger problem, which is that the Romney campaign appears to be run by complete amateurs.
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I disagree. Romney's campaign is run by professionals, i.e. professional liars. Everything they say is fabricated for effect, without reference to the truth. Repeat that until you really get it, because that is what we all will get if Romney is elected. Note that I said fabricated. They don't care what's true or false, right or wrong. Their method is to speak for effect, without regard for the truth. The method relies upon the willingness of their supporters to believe anything negative about their opponent, however false. And they are confident in their ability to cover one lie with another and another, repeating them until confusion and deception prevails in their favor. I posted a thread on the Keystone Pipeline which provides good examples.
 
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Sigh. The error he made is blatantly obvious.

1. The statement by the embassy came prior to any attacks.

2. Romney said:

"It's disgraceful that the Obama Administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks."

3. The problem was, and always has been, that Romney's statement is that Obama is apologizing to those that are attacking. That is a complete and utter misrepresentation of the fact by him, attempting to portray Obama as a Muslim sympathizer.


Honestly, these lame efforts to make it look like Romney was just criticizing the statement are so pathetically awful it makes me cringe in embarrassment for him. He needs to figure out a way to get past this. Its too late to clarify or take it back.
 
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GAVol said:
Go read Liz Cheney's editorial this morning and then tell me if you still think Republicans don't use attack dogs.
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I'm sure it's a nice article but we are talking about this situation and how Romney showed leadership in this statement
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
I'm sure it's a nice article but we are talking about this situation and how Romney showed leadership in this statement
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Come on. He didn't lead anything. He jumped on a situation to show a contrast and score points (which I don't blame him for.)
 
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lawgator1 said:
Sigh. The error he made is blatantly obvious.

1. The statement by the embassy came prior to any attacks.

2. Romney said:

"It's disgraceful that the Obama Administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks."

3. The problem was, and always has been, that Romney's statement is that Obama is apologizing to those that are attacking. That is a complete and utter misrepresentation of the fact by him, attempting to portray Obama as a Muslim sympathizer.


Honestly, these lame efforts to make it look like Romney was just criticizing the statement are so pathetically awful it makes me cringe in embarrassment for him. He needs to figure out a way to get past this. Its too late to clarify or take it back.
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So basically you're saying that if he had added the words "in Cairo", his statement would have been fine?

It seemed pretty clear to me that he was speaking only about Egypt the whole time. And it never has entered my mind that Obama is a Muslim sympathizer.
 
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I think what is more troubling is what the president did. You can't defend that. Makes us look weak. Obama is a huge embarrassment. They're over there killing our people. Obama is no leader.
 
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#170
Come on folks. Romney reacted to a national tragedy with an unprincipled and self-serving political cheap shot, to further his own election campaign. His conduct wreaks with the worst sort of low character.
 
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GAVol said:
So basically you're saying that if he had added the words "in Cairo", his statement would have been fine?

It seemed pretty clear to me that he was speaking only about Egypt the whole time. And it never has entered my mind that Obama is a Muslim sympathizer.
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I don't think there had been attacks in either place at the time he made the statement but I could be mistaken about that and, if so, then yes clarifying which embassy's statement and which attacks would have helped.

Bottom line: Romney's one and only hope to win this election is to demonstrate a clear plan out of the economic quagmire. Implying that Obama is weak on foreign policy isn't where Romney needs to be focused, imo.
 
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GAVol said:
See, I'm still not seeing that. Romney jumped on the statement from the Embassy in Cairo before anybody knew anything about the killing in Libya. What did he get wrong?
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Tuesday 10:08 PM
Hillary Clinton initially announced that one American had been killed in the attack in Libya.


Tuesday 10:10 PM
The Obama administration is disavowing a statement from its own Cairo embassy that seemed to apologize for anti-Muslim activity in the United States.

"The statement by Embassy Cairo was not cleared by Washington and does not reflect the views of the United States government,"


Tuesday 10:24 PM

Romney's comment, apparently referring to the embassy statement, was sent to The New York Times about 10:10 p.m., originally embargoed until midnight. The embargo was lifted at 10:24 p.m.

“I'm outraged by the attacks on American diplomatic missions in Libya and Egypt and by the death of an American consulate worker in Benghazi. It's disgraceful that the Obama Administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.”


He clearly states the killing of a consulate worker in his first statement released at 10:24 PM
 
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