Romney campaign caught lying, red handed

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GAVol said:
Again .... You're talking about Obama's statement. Romney is attributing the embassy statement to the administration. It's a semantics game on all sides.
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No, because even if you attribute the embassy statement to Obama, it is absolutely 100 % dead wrong to say that the embassy statement was the first reaction to the attacks. The attacks had not happened yet.

Why is it so hard for you and Romney supporters to just admit he got this one wrong?






I doubt that Romney himself was clued into that, by the way. And he's probably pretty po'd right now at whoever put that all together for him, and got such a key component wrong. As Gramps says, though, the unreasonable and indeed irrational refusal to simply correct it after it became clear that the embassy statement was not in reference to the attacks would have avoided all of this hoopla that now surrounds Romney's errant original statement.

That is where I really fault the campaign at this point.
 
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bamawriter said:
Again, it's only false if you don't consider an ambassador a member of the administration. Romney obviously does.
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Incorrect.

Even if you consider the statement to be the administration's, the problem is that it is not the "first response" to the attacks, as Romney said. That is just wrong.
 
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I personally have a problem with an embassy apologizing for the exercise of free speech. I don't care when they put out the apology.
 
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Lexvol said:
I personally have a problem with an embassy apologizing for the exercise of free speech. I don't care when they put out the apology.
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Fair enough.

But even if we all agree that the embassy statement was bad, that does not change the fact that IT WAS NOT a reaction to the attacks.

Which is what Romney said it was.

And he was dead, 1000 %, no question about it, wrong.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Fair enough.

But even if we all agree that the embassy statement was bad, that does not change the fact that IT WAS NOT a reaction to the attacks.

Which is what Romney said it was.

And he was dead, 1000 %, no question about it, wrong.
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and when compared to the dead bodies of American embassy personnel being flown back to the US it really doesn't matter at all. Yet for some reason you can't drop it. Wonder why?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Fair enough.

But even if we all agree that the embassy statement was bad, that does not change the fact that IT WAS NOT a reaction to the attacks.

Which is what Romney said it was.

And he was dead, 1000 %, no question about it, wrong.
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I could care less about Romney's timing. His message is what I prefer to hear from our leaders. I think the initial response from the embassy is damning.
 
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Gramps said:
He should have addressed the nation before he had all the details ?

Don't think so.

Romney should have waited until he had the details.
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What details did he need? Our embassy's first statement was an always will be useless garbage.
 
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Gramps said:
He should have addressed the nation before he had all the details ?

Don't think so.

Romney should have waited until he had the details.
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Probably.

But, given everything, does his incorrect timeline completely invalidate his point? I would think the events of the past two days have proved his point to be spot on.
 
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utvolpj said:
and when compared to the dead bodies of American embassy personnel being flown back to the US it really doesn't matter at all. Yet for some reason you can't drop it. Wonder why?
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YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY BE SERIOUS !!!!

It want Obama who tried to politicize this ! Oh my God what a disingenuous comment. It was Romney who tried to make something of it for political purposes.
 
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lawgator1 said:
YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY BE SERIOUS !!!!

It want Obama who tried to politicize this ! Oh my God what a disingenuous comment. It was Romney who tried to make something of it for political purposes.
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and it's all you can talk about. Completely ignore the huge policy mistakes that got us to this position and instead shine the spotlight on a mistimed statement by a candidate that holds no power. Spin it LG

FWIW Obama also used the deaths of servicemen when he was campaigning in 2008.

Also, any response to the Embassy's idiotic comment about free speech? Didn't think so
 
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lawgator1 said:
YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY BE SERIOUS !!!!

It want Obama who tried to politicize this ! Oh my God what a disingenuous comment. It was Romney who tried to make something of it for political purposes.
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And you and some in the press are trying to make much more out of the Romney statement than there is for political purposes.
 
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Gramps said:
The Tuesday night statement could be dismissed by saying it was bad timing.

Wednesday morning camp Romney could have corrected the timing issue ( if there was one) instead Romney continues to say Obama was apologizing for our values.

That was a false statement.

Show me anything Obama said that was apologizing.
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I also believe that the administration distanced themselves from the original embassy statement indicating that even they thought it was not appropriate.

It is a game that both played to some extent (Romney more obviously) but I don't see how it merits the OP.
 
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utvolpj said:
and it's all you can talk about. Completely ignore the huge policy mistakes that got us to this position and instead shine the spotlight on a mistimed statement by a candidate that holds no power. Spin it LG

FWIW Obama also used the deaths of servicemen when he was campaigning in 2008.

Also, any response to the Embassy's idiotic comment about free speech? Didn't think so
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXNF4_09BOI&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
 
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Lexvol said:
I personally have a problem with an embassy apologizing for the exercise of free speech. I don't care when they put out the apology.
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I agree with this.

The Obama did distance themselves from that statement before Romney made his Tuesday night statement.
 
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Gramps said:
I agree with this.

The Obama did distance themselves from that statement before Romney made his Tuesday night statement.
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So how is it so easy to distance himself from a strategy that he clearly agrees with. Who is telling the real lie here?
 
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Lexvol said:
So how is it so easy to distance himself from a strategy that he clearly agrees with. Who is telling the real lie here?
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Boom

No matter who said what when, there's no debating what the end result has been. There are riots outside embassies in North Africa and whatever we're doing to win hearts and minds isn't working so well.
 
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Lexvol said:
What details did he need? Our embassy's first statement was an always will be useless garbage.
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The bolded is what Romney's statement was based on, incorrect information.


I think Romney simply jumped the gun trying to score some political points.

It doesn't sound very presidential making a comment before you actually know what you are commenting on.
 
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volinbham said:
I also believe that the administration distanced themselves from the original embassy statement indicating that even they thought it was not appropriate.

It is a game that both played to some extent (Romney more obviously) but I don't see how it merits the OP.
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Yes, the administration has also indicated disagreement with the embassy statement.

The difference is that Romney says it was the first reaction the administration had to the attacks, which as we all know by now is a demonstrably false statement.

I think Obama's measured response to that falsified criticism has been perfect -- that Romney shoots first and aims later on such matters.

Dead on correct. But to be expected probably from a Romney campaign that is clearly in trouble.
 
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GAVol said:
Boom

No matter who said what when, there's no debating what the end result has been. There are riots outside embassies in North Africa and whatever we're doing to win hearts and minds isn't working so well.
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And we're getting fed a message that it's an anomaly; an isolated incident rather than some larger sentiment with more action likely.
 
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volinbham said:
I also believe that the administration distanced themselves from the original embassy statement indicating that even they thought it was not appropriate.

It is a game that both played to some extent (Romney more obviously) but I don't see how it merits the OP.
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I agree it is a game both sides are playing. This is just one instance that Obama is winning.

Romney should have backed down from his original statement at his presser Wednesday morning after having some details.

We had an embassy being attached and Romney makes his statement critizing the White House. My argument is he should have played nice Tuesday night, waited until Wednesday morning for some details of the event before addressing the issue in any way.

This ,along with his 3 nation trip blunders reflects bad on how he may handle foreign policy.
 
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Gramps said:
I agree it is a game both sides are playing. This is just one instance that Obama is winning.

This ,along with his 3 nation trip blunders reflects bad on how he may handle foreign policy.
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Obama has 4 dead bodies and Romney has a mistimed statement. How is Obama winning?

these protests actually represent a huge foreign policy blunder by Obama since he supported then just a year or 2 before. Heck he still chooses to meet with some of them over Israel

Only way Obama wins this is to remove all US personnel and cancel all checks written to their governments. Until then he's losing (but it won't be how the media tells the story)
 
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Lexvol said:
So how is it so easy to distance himself from a strategy that he clearly agrees with. Who is telling the real lie here?
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Where do you get Obama agrees with that statement ?


Obama is a hawk or as close to one as I have ever saw a Dem be.

He don't apologize, he sends a drone.
 
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