Romney what are you doing???

[Gramps]

The sponges were going to vote Obama anyway. Can't see how him basically saying what most of us already know will hurt him any worse..... The media will have a field day with it. I mean afterall this is the same media that was more critical of what Romney had to say about the attacks, than the apologist in office.

The 47% Romney was citing includes seniors, working couples with children, military personnel etc.
You think these people are sponges?

 

[therealUT]

The 47% Romney was citing includes seniors, working couples with children, military personnel etc.
You think these people are sponges?

Re: Military Personnel:
1. The military makes up around 1% of the population; I would say that out of the entire workforce, the mililtary makes up no greater than 2%.
2. The only military personnel who do not pay federal income tax are those that are deployed. I would argue that number is smaller than .5% of the workforce.

Re: Seniors
1. As long as seniors are consuming services, without paying in, they are leaching off the system.

Re: Families with Children
1. Families with children actively use the government education systems.
2. The federal government spends (according to my calculations) roughly $700/student per annum.
3. A family can claim a $950 deduction for each child, so long as no one else can claim that child as a dependent. Such a deduction is worth between $95 and $238 for most persons (10%-25%); of course, it could be worth more if the deduction serves to drop an individual into a lower tax bracket.
4. Thus, the average single with no dependents tax payer is paying more for the education of the child than are the parents.
5. Having children is a choice; if I choose not to have children, I should not be paying more for the education of your child than you are. To think that I should is irresponsible, is victim mentality, and is leach-like.

 

[PalardyLikeARockstar]

My Political Science professor was crushed. He "knows" that this election is now over.

 

[Cartervol]

The 47% Romney was citing includes seniors, working couples with children, military personnel etc.
You think these people are sponges?

I doubt that's what he meant. He talking about the sponges. Seniors paid in, so that's not a entitlement in my eyes. Military does a job, that's not a sponge. Working couples shouldn't have kids they can't afford. Cap that bad boy... Just the sponges......

 

[dreVol]

On Facebook there have been several references to Christianity being used to rebut Romney's 47% quote (e.g. "They didn't bring enough bread and fish? What a bunch of freeloaders."). The message is that Romney's position runs counter to Jesus's teachings, with the implication that Obama's policies are in line with these teachings. Yet, Obama believes in a system that uses government force and coercion to take from one group to give to another. I find it hard to believe that this is the "more Christian" position.

 

[Cartervol]

On Facebook there have been several references to Christianity being used to rebut Romney's 47% quote (e.g. "They didn't bring enough bread and fish? What a bunch of freeloaders."). The message is that Romney's position runs counter to Jesus's teachings, with the implication that Obama's policies are in line with these teachings. Yet, Obama believes in a system that uses government force and coercion to take from one group to give to another. I find it hard to believe that this is the "more Christian" position.

They're both wrong.. Romney is what he is. That's apparent. While Obama puts on a show and does the opposite of what he says he'll do. The people lose either way. This is how our government works now...

 

[utvolpj]

On Facebook there have been several references to Christianity being used to rebut Romney's 47% quote (e.g. "They didn't bring enough bread and fish? What a bunch of freeloaders."). The message is that Romney's position runs counter to Jesus's teachings, with the implication that Obama's policies are in line with these teachings. Yet, Obama believes in a system that uses government force and coercion to take from one group to give to another. I find it hard to believe that this is the "more Christian" position.

I'll ask again, when did Jesus teach that the govt needs to provide for the people? Neither view has anything to do with religion

 

[MG1968]

I'll ask again, when did Jesus teach that the govt needs to provide for the people? Neither view has anything to do with religion

He said it right before he said that he supported the individual mandate and that George W. Bush caused global warming.

 

[dreVol]

Interesting.

Mother Jones, the left-wing magazine that released a controversial video of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney's remarks to a fundraiser in May, now admits that it has no full tape of what Romney said, and that its video is missing "one to two minutes" at the most important moment.

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According to the source, the recording device inadvertently turned off. The source noticed this quickly and turned it back one [sic]. The source estimates that one to two minutes, maybe less, of recording was missed.

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Earlier on Tuesday, new media pioneer James O'Keefe pointed out the hypocrisy of the mainstream media in accepting, without question, a snippet of a video recording that aimed to portray a Republican in a bad light, while conservatives are still doubted even after providing full video or audio, as O'Keefe did with his famous ACORN tapes.

Selective Edit? Mother Jones Admits Romney Tape Missing 'One to Two Minutes'

 

[utvolpj]

Mother Jones does it and it's fine. Breitbart does it and he's demonized

wonderful country we live in

 

[Gramps]

Re: Military Personnel:
1. The military makes up around 1% of the population; I would say that out of the entire workforce, the mililtary makes up no greater than 2%.
2. The only military personnel who do not pay federal income tax are those that are deployed. I would argue that number is smaller than .5% of the workforce.

Regardless of the percent, these men and women are included in the 47% Romney was speaking of. That is an insult to those that are in combat. Add that to the fact that Romney did not mention our men and women in combat a single time in his convention speech. That is an insult to our military personnel. I guess Romney doe not need the military vote.


Re: Seniors
1. As long as seniors are consuming services, without paying in, they are leaching off the system.

Romney says the 47% will not vote for him thus he will lose. He cannot win without the senior vote.


Re: Families with Children
1. Families with children actively use the government education systems.
2. The federal government spends (according to my calculations) roughly $700/student per annum.
3. A family can claim a $950 deduction for each child, so long as no one else can claim that child as a dependent. Such a deduction is worth between $95 and $238 for most persons (10%-25%); of course, it could be worth more if the deduction serves to drop an individual into a lower tax bracket.
4. Thus, the average single with no dependents tax payer is paying more for the education of the child than are the parents.
5. Having children is a choice; if I choose not to have children, I should not be paying more for the education of your child than you are. To think that I should is irresponsible, is victim mentality, and is leach-like.

Please explain the difference between a working family with children taking the legal deductions in filing their taxes and the rich guy taking all the leagal deductions in filing his taxes. You don't like the tax system change it, don't call these working familes leaches because the tax system benefits them as it does others.

 

[Gramps]

I doubt that's what he meant. He talking about the sponges. Seniors paid in, so that's not a entitlement in my eyes. Military does a job, that's not a sponge. Working couples shouldn't have kids they can't afford. Cap that bad boy... Just the sponges......

Romney should have stated the correct percent. He choose to include seniors, military, working familes.
He could have very easily quoted the correct %. He also has had time to think about it and is continuing to double down on the 47% line. He did so on Fox yesterday.

You now have conservatives hammering Romney for this statement. Saying something dumb at a private fundraising dinner is one thing. Calling a special press conference to double down on his statement was not smart. Being interviewed on television and restating the same thing is stupid.

Like Romey or not this is a stupid mistake, he should be asking for everyones vote. Saying he is not worried about these people is another dumb statemnet. If elected is he just going to worry about those that voted for him? Is he not going to be president of all citizens?

 

[utvolpj]

Regardless of the percent, these men and women are included in the 47% Romney was speaking of. That is an insult to those that are in combat. Add that to the fact that Romney did not mention our men and women in combat a single time in his convention speech. That is an insult to our military personnel. I guess Romney doe not need the military vote.

and yet the Dems displayed Russian ships and Turkish jets to honor the US military. Which is worse?

Please explain the difference between a working family with children taking the legal deductions in filing their taxes and the rich guy taking all the leagal deductions in filing his taxes. You don't like the tax system change it, don't call these working familes leaches because the tax system benefits them as it does others.

if the kids you claim cause you to get to zero or beyond on your income taxes then there is a huge difference. A rich guy taking deductions doesn't mean he pays nothing into the system.

the more you make the less you get back from the govt for children. It's a drain on resources and rewarding negative behavior

Romney should have stated the correct percent. He choose to include seniors, military, working familes.
He could have very easily quoted the correct %. He also has had time to think about it and is continuing to double down on the 47% line. He did so on Fox yesterday.

47% is the correct number. You may disagree on who is included but the number itself is correct

 

[therealUT]

Regardless of the percent, these men and women are included in the 47% Romney was speaking of. That is an insult to those that are in combat. Add that to the fact that Romney did not mention our men and women in combat a single time in his convention speech. That is an insult to our military personnel. I guess Romney doe not need the military vote.

Must an insult be insulting? Who is insulted? Are all of our military personnel insulted? If not, then it is not an insult to our military personnel; it is simply an insult to some, who take it as insulting and who feel insulted.

Romney says the 47% will not vote for him thus he will lose. He cannot win without the senior vote.

Whether or not it was good political strategy does not detract from the truth of the statement.

Please explain the difference between a working family with children taking the legal deductions in filing their taxes and the rich guy taking all the leagal deductions in filing his taxes. You don't like the tax system change it, don't call these working familes leaches because the tax system benefits them as it does others.

1. I think the entire system is corrupt; loopholes and deductions should be done away with. If one wants to give to charity, that should in no way change their taxable income. Same can be said for all other deductions.

2. One who is benefiting more from an entity than it is providing is a parasite. The fact that a single person pays more, by percentage of gross income, for the education of children that belong to other persons is BS; those who use services should be paying the most, at least by percentage of gross income, for those services. Else, scrap coercive taxes.

 

[YorkVol]

why is it the govt's job to provide for older citizens?

I don't think it is, but that was the deal that was set up so it would seem disingenuous to go back on it now.

 

[therealUT]

I don't think it is, but that was the deal that was set up so it would seem disingenuous to go back on it now.

It certainly is disingenuous not to pay back the dollar amount (adjusted for inflation) of the amount of money each individual paid in to the system; refusing to provide more to those individuals because it is an unsustainable drain on the fiscal health of the nation seems not only reasonable but right.

 

[golfballs]

I still don't know why his comments are that inflammatory. I don't get it

 

[YorkVol]

It certainly is disingenuous not to pay back the dollar amount (adjusted for inflation) of the amount of money each individual paid in to the system; refusing to provide more to those individuals because it is an unsustainable drain on the fiscal health of the nation seems not only reasonable but right.

Truly. Truth in advertising would help to temper expectations, but unfortunately pensions, especially SSB were advertised as providing enough to maintain or increase lifestyles. That is far from the truth and makes for a lot of angry AARP members.

 

[Gramps]

and yet the Dems displayed Russian ships and Turkish jets to honor the US military. Which is worse?

both were dumb.

if the kids you claim cause you to get to zero or beyond on your income taxes then there is a huge difference. A rich guy taking deductions doesn't mean he pays nothing into the system.

the more you make the less you get back from the govt for children. It's a drain on resources and rewarding negative behavior

Change the system, don't call someone who is working every day a leach. These people are contributing to society in several ways.
IMO, a leach is one of the bums that sit on their butts and lives off the government.

47% is the correct number. You may disagree on who is included but the number itself is correct

I don't disagree with the 47%or who is included in that number, it is very well documented.

 

[volfanjustin]

I still don't know why his comments are that inflammatory. I don't get it

Because MSNBC and the rest of the media tell them it is.

 

[VolsNSkinsFan]

Romney: I'll deliver recovery, not dependency

Since our founding, America has promoted personal responsibility, the dignity of work and the value of education. Those values made our nation the hope of the earth and our economy the envy of the world.

Efforts that promote hard work and personal responsibility over government dependency make America strong. When the economy is growing and Americans are working, everyone involved has a shared sense of achievement, not to mention the basic sense of pride that comes with the paycheck they earn.

However, over the past four years, those kinds of opportunities have been in short supply. We're experiencing the worst recovery since the Great Depression. Unemployment has been above 8% for 43 straight months; 47 million Americans are on food stamps. Nearly one in six Americans now live in poverty.

Under President Obama, we have a stagnant economy that fosters government dependency. My policies will create a growing economy that fosters upward mobility.

Government has a role to play here. Right now, our nation's citizens do need help from government. But it is a very different kind of help than what President Obama wants to provide.

My experience has taught me that government works best when it creates the space for individuals and families to pursue success and achieve great things. Economic freedom is the only force that has consistently succeeded in creating sustained prosperity and lifting people out of poverty. It is why our economy rose to rival those of the world's leading powers -- and has long since surpassed them all.

The dreamers and the entrepreneurs, not government, built this economy, and they can once again make it strong.

My course for the American economy will encourage private investment and personal freedom. Instead of creating a web of dependency, I will pursue policies that grow our economy and lift Americans out of poverty.

My five-point plan will deliver the economic recovery we've all been waiting for and the jobs millions of Americans still need. This can be more than our hope; it can be our future. And it can start this November with your vote.

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™

 

[lawgator1]

I don't understand why he bothers with a jobs program since the unemployed folks are lazy freeloaders who won't take responsibility for themselves, anyhow.

He said so.

 

[Lexvol]

I don't understand why he bothers with a jobs program since the unemployed folks are lazy freeloaders who won't take responsibility for themselves, anyhow.

He said so.

There is certainly some truth to what he said...not for all...but for quite a few.

 

[lawgator1]

I continue to be amused by VSF's quoting Rasmussen.

NBC: Obama + 5
Fox: Obama + 5
CBS/NYT: Obama + 3

Only Rasmussen -- literally, ONLY -- has Romney ahead. Out of the eight major polls used by RCP. Their bias is shining through.

 

[utvolpj]

Change the system, don't call someone who is working every day a leach. These people are contributing to society in several ways.
IMO, a leach is one of the bums that sit on their butts and lives off the government.

if you get more out than you put it then you are a leech. That is not necessarily a shot at them personally but rather at their contributions