Romney what are you doing???

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#202
lawgator1 said:
Get more out of what, exactly?
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money, services, etc

the govt has decided (right or wrong) that they need X dollars to fund things. If you are "donating" zero or less to that cause then you aren't helping anything by just existing
 
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#203
lawgator1 said:
I continue to be amused by VSF's quoting Rasmussen.

NBC: Obama + 5
Fox: Obama + 5
CBS/NYT: Obama + 3

Only Rasmussen -- literally, ONLY -- has Romney ahead. Out of the eight major polls used by RCP. Their bias is shining through.
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Were they biased when they had Barry winning in 2008?
 
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utvolpj said:
if you get more out than you put it then you are a leech. That is not necessarily a shot at them personally but rather at their contributions
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The working couples with children are contributing to society.
I agree they may get a income tax refund that is greater than they pay in, however, by working and not getting food stamps or a government check they do the following:

They pay rent or a house payment.
They pay their utilities.
They do pay social security tax.
They do pay sales tax on their groceries.
They pay state and fereral tax on gas they purchase to get to and from work.
They pay sales tax on all the products they purchase for their household which helps the economy.

A leach that is living off the government:

receives free or reduced housing.
receives a free cell phone
receives assistance with utilities
Do not pay sales tax on groceries bought with food stamps
Don't need any gas to lay on their ass
receive free school breakfast and lunch for their children

There is a huge difference in a working family that works hard and only makes up to $35-40, 000 per year and a bum that sits on their butt. There is no comparision.
 
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golfballs said:
I still don't know why his comments are that inflammatory. I don't get it
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If this was during the GOP primaries, you would get it.

If Obama or some Dem said it, you would get it.

It is very hard to see thing very clear during the general election when one only looks through bright red goggles.
 
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Gramps said:
A leach that is living off the government:

receives free or reduced housing.
receives a free cell phone
receives assistance with utilities
Do not pay sales tax on groceries bought with food stamps
Don't need any gas to lay on their ass
receive free school breakfast and lunch for their children
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what's the likelihood of someone paying zero or negative income tax rates and not receiving any of the above? Remember 50% of Americans are receiving some type of aid for their household

Gramps said:
There is a huge difference in a working family that works hard and only makes up to $35-40, 000 per year and a bum that sits on their butt. There is no comparision.
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that family is still using more than they take in
 
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utvolpj said:
if you get more out than you put it then you are a leech. That is not necessarily a shot at them personally but rather at their contributions
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Well I guess you better learn how to dispose of your own trash, work a cash register, stay at home for every meal, provide your own customer service on most everything etc...because a lot of these leeches you speak of keep society going and provide services to people making more $...not to mention some work for very low wages so meaning the owner of the business is profiting more.
 
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VOLS INC. said:
Well I guess you better learn how to dispose of your own trash, work a cash register, stay at home for every meal, provide your own customer service on most everything etc...because a lot of these leeches you speak of keep society going and provide services to people making more $...not to mention some work for very low wages so meaning the owner of the business is profiting more.
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not a single thing listed I can't do. If those services were so valuable to keeping the country going then they would be paid a salary equal to their skills. Fact is, the things you listed aren't skills

I worked for a while on low wages. I was able to make it work very well because I was able to make smart choices. There are a small number of people in this country that need help and I'm all for that. However I do not want to be on the hook for someone elses bad life choices. They are not my responsibility
 
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Not sure I agree with the term "leech". I feel like we are equating somebody who abuses the welfare system with the person working hard to dig ditches.

The former is a leech, the latter is simply doing the best he can. Ditches need to be dug and somebody is doing it. He shouln't be demonized for trying.

Do the upper income brackets put in disproportionately more? Sure. They also gain disproportionately more to be able to do that. Nothing is wrong with that, we should be grateful they are in a position to do so. But have Bill Gates be born in a third world country and I guarantee he doesn't end up as one of the richest men in the world. There is a trade off here I think we are overlooking.

Lower income bracket take in more than they put in. It is what it is, I don't think that makes them "leeches".
 
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utvolpj said:
not a single thing listed I can't do. If those services were so valuable to keeping the country going then they would be paid a salary equal to their skills. Fact is, the things you listed aren't skills

I worked for a while on low wages. I was able to make it work very well because I was able to make smart choices. There are a small number of people in this country that need help and I'm all for that. However I do not want to be on the hook for someone elses bad life choices. They are not my responsibility
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No they aren't skills but they are services. I like the fact that at lunch today I'm going to burger king to get a sandwich. The guy behind the counter is a college student working part time and makes less than 20k so he doesn't pay in. I don't look at him like a leech...rather a person who is providing a service so that I can better enjoy my day. Not to mention helping him keep a little change in his pocket as he gets through school helps him so he can one day be a more productive member of society.
 
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VOLS INC. said:
Well I guess you better learn how to dispose of your own trash, work a cash register, stay at home for every meal, provide your own customer service on most everything etc...because a lot of these leeches you speak of keep society going and provide services to people making more $...not to mention some work for very low wages so meaning the owner of the business is profiting more.
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utvolpj said:
not a single thing listed I can't do. If those services were so valuable to keeping the country going then they would be paid a salary equal to their skills. Fact is, the things you listed aren't skills

I worked for a while on low wages. I was able to make it work very well because I was able to make smart choices. There are a small number of people in this country that need help and I'm all for that. However I do not want to be on the hook for someone elses bad life choices. They are not my responsibility
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I am sure you can do all the jobs that Vols Inc listed in his post.

The question is can you do them all at the same time?

You use some type of services on a daily basis provided by a low wage employee.

These may be demeaning non skill jobs in you mind but these jobs are necessary. We would be screwed without the people filling these jobs.

I can understand you demeaning people that are too lazy to work but for the millions of people that work their butts off to try to provide for their families it is wrong to demean them.

Everyone cannot be in the top 1%, 10%, 20% or 50% of wage earners. The low wage jobs are necessary to keep American running.

I respect these workers and always will.
 
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#215
unskilled labor like that should not be a lifetime job. If it is then live within your means, just like I have to do, and don't expect the govt to take other people's tax dollars to fund your life choices.
 
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Gramps said:
I am sure you can do all the jobs that Vols Inc listed in his post.

The question is can you do them all at the same time?

You use some type of services on a daily basis provided by a low wage employee.

These may be demeaning non skill jobs in you mind but these jobs are necessary. We would be screwed without the people filling these jobs.

I can understand you demeaning people that are too lazy to work but for the millions of people that work their butts off to try to provide for their families it is wrong to demean them.

Everyone cannot be in the top 1%, 10%, 20% or 50% of wage earners. The low wage jobs are necessary to keep American running.

I respect these workers and always will.
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Bingo!
 
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#217
I like how this video was leaked just as Obama's foreign policy failures were coming to light. It's almost like the media aren't neutral reporters but democrat operatives.

Oh yeah, and Sebellius violating the Hatch Act? No big deal, we should focus on an incomplete video snippet, because it makes Romney look bad.
 
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utvolpj said:
unskilled labor like that should not be a lifetime job. If it is then live within your means, just like I have to do, and don't expect the govt to take other people's tax dollars to fund your life choices.
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What life choices are you talking about?

Everybody can't make it through college. Everyone can't make $50K/year. It just isn't possible for some people based on abilities they were born with. The simple reality is for some people it is a lifetime job. Everyobdy in this country can't have a desk job. It just doesn't work like that.
 
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rjd970 said:
What life choices are you talking about?

Everybody can't make it through college. Everyone can't make $50K/year. It just isn't possible for some people based on abilities they were born with. The simple reality is for some people it is a lifetime job. Everyobdy in this country can't have a desk job. It just doesn't work like that.
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kids, cars, houses, etc. All of those siphon money away from any paycheck but are magnified as the net pay goes down.
 
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dreVol said:
I like how this video was leaked just as Obama's foreign policy failures were coming to light. It's almost like the media aren't neutral reporters but democrat operatives.

Oh yeah, and Sebellius violating the Hatch Act? No big deal, we should focus on an incomplete video snippet, because it makes Romney look bad.
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Mother Jones leaked it and yes they are 100% liberal and pro Obama.
I have also questioned the timing of the release.

The video itself could have been played off as he was only pandering to some donors at a fundraiser.

Romenys action since the release is his downfall.

The 10 pm press conference the day the video was released was harmful. Why call a press conference to clear things up then basically repeat what was said in the video?

Romney continuing to do interviews and double down on his remarks has been very hurtful.

He now has conservative writers calling him out on this issue, that is hurtful.

Sometimes less is best. He should have just let it died. It may have lasted a day or two in the newscycle. Romney now has made it a major campaign issue.
 
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utvolpj said:
kids, cars, houses, etc. All of those siphon money away from any paycheck but are magnified as the net pay goes down.
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The discussion was because they put in less to in proportion to what they recieve, for something like SS, that makes them leeches. I disagree completely. They aren't abusing the system, they are trying.

Kids, houses, cars...how does that take out tax money? The rate is the same no matter what. If you have a problem with the deductions then that is a separate issue. Also, are you saying 47% of Americans shouldn't have kids or a car?

I vehemently agree there needs to be welfare reform, and those milking the system without trying or going to work everyday absolutely are "leeches".

I don't agree with classifying those who have jobs and go to work everyday fit in that categorization simply because they are taking more than they put in.
 
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rjd970 said:
The discussion was because they put in less to in proportion to what they recieve, for something like SS, that makes them leeches. I disagree completely. They aren't abusing the system, they are trying.

Kids, houses, cars...how does that take out tax money? The rate is the same no matter what. If you have a problem with the deductions then that is a separate issue. Also, are you saying 47% of Americans shouldn't have kids or a car?

I vehemently agree there needs to be welfare reform, and those milking the system without trying or going to work everyday absolutely are "leeches".

I don't agree with classifying those who have jobs and go to work everyday fit in that categorization simply because they are taking more than they put in.
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why do we have government mandated system that allows for taking more than one puts in? That's legalized theft, regardless of how we couch it.
 
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rjd970 said:
Kids, houses, cars...how does that take out tax money? The rate is the same no matter what. If you have a problem with the deductions then that is a separate issue. Also, are you saying 47% of Americans shouldn't have kids or a car?
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how is someone living on SS trying to be less of a burden on the system? There are some that need it and that's fine however we need to quit viewing retirement at 60yo a right. Work until you don't need to anymore or rely on family/friends/charity.

less money available means they need more help. If they have kids and pay no income taxes then they are taking out more than they put in. Yes I am saying that if you require govt assistance you should not have children that you obviously can't afford. Housing crisis? Same deal

rjd970 said:
I vehemently agree there needs to be welfare reform, and those milking the system without trying or going to work everyday absolutely are "leeches".

I don't agree with classifying those who have jobs and go to work everyday fit in that categorization simply because they are taking more than they put in.
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how the word "leech" is used may be the reason some view this as negative. Maybe I should rename them "lampreys" instead
 
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rjd970 said:
What life choices are you talking about?

Everybody can't make it through college. Everyone can't make $50K/year. It just isn't possible for some people based on abilities they were born with. The simple reality is for some people it is a lifetime job. Everyobdy in this country can't have a desk job. It just doesn't work like that.
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and said 50k earner should live a life commensurate with that income level, including retirement. What merits money from someone else's pocket?
 
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Even if Romney wanted to have this discussion at the meta level, trying to go in that direction on the heels of release of this video is the height of political retardedness, imo.


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