Romney's VP pick

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KingNick865 said:
I think that's what he wanted to do, if I may play along for a minute. Romney was likely to support a budget that was very similar, if not the same as the Ryan plan. Why not have the guy who came up with the budget on the ticket to defend it? Plus, as I've said earlier, it gives the Romney ticket something the base can sink their teeth into.
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The problem is it touches two of the big three third-rails in politics; in a big way. You don't want to attach yourself to a ridge policy outlook like this when you are already down in the polls. It will leave Romney very vulnerable to unsympathetic angle that Obama is already playing to a T.

Romney already cannot connect to the middle class. Obama can. Romney was a CEO of a multi-million dollar corporation which was involved in layoffs and shipping jobs overseas. CEO are some of the most mistrusted and hated people in our society at the moment. So is outsourcing. *It doesn't matter that those are necessary evils or that Romney's company saved a bunch of jobs, only perception matters in the American electorate*

Now throw Ryan on top of that. He wants to dramatically alter Social Security and Medicare. Terrible thing to campaign on when your down already due to character assassination. It doesn't matter if both are necessary for the programs to be viable and sustainable over the long-haul. It is the perception that they are going to war with the middle class and elderly. Those are ideas that you float around AFTER the general election. Not before.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
The problem is it touches two of the big three third-rails in politics; in a big way. You don't want to attach yourself to a ridge policy outlook like this when you are already down in the polls. It will leave Romney very vulnerable to unsympathetic angle that Obama is already playing to a T.

Romney already cannot connect to the middle class. Obama can. Romney was a CEO of a multi-million dollar corporation which was involved in layoffs and shipping jobs overseas. CEO are some of the most mistrusted and hated people in our society at the moment. So is outsourcing. *It doesn't matter that those are necessary evils or that Romney's company saved a bunch of jobs, only perception matters in the American electorate*

Now throw Ryan on top of that. He wants to dramatically alter Social Security and Medicare. Terrible thing to campaign on when your down already due to character assassination. It doesn't matter if both are necessary for the programs to be viable and sustainable over the long-haul. It is the perception that they are going to war with the middle class and elderly. Those are ideas that you float around AFTER the general election. Not before.
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In any other year, I'd agree with you, but I'm not sure the conventional wisdom applies here in this cycle. The base likes the Ryan plan, even if it hurts a lot of them personally. There aren't going to be many independents in play this election, so both campaigns are going to try and rile up their bases as much as possible and hope they can get the numbers in their favor that way, instead of a more conventional style of politics where you'd go for the voters in the middle.
 
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KingNick865 said:
In any other year, I'd agree with you, but I'm not sure the conventional wisdom applies here in this cycle. The base likes the Ryan plan, even if it hurts a lot of them personally. There aren't going to be many independents in play this election, so both campaigns are going to try and rile up their bases as much as possible and hope they can get the numbers in their favor that way, instead of a more conventional style of politics where you'd go for the voters in the middle.
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Exactly . . . It's a page right out of the 2004 Karl Rove playbook. Instead of courting the middle that's not there, create more voters in the base.
 
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KingNick865 said:
In any other year, I'd agree with you, but I'm not sure the conventional wisdom applies here in this cycle. The base likes the Ryan plan, even if it hurts a lot of them personally. There aren't going to be many independents in play this election, so both campaigns are going to try and rile up their bases as much as possible and hope they can get the numbers in their favor that way, instead of a more conventional style of politics where you'd go for the voters in the middle.
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Eh, I'm not sure I subscribe to that. No doubt that Ryan shores up the base for Romney. If Romney was not having base problems, I don't think Ryan would be the pick. He has too much collateral damage for elderly voters.

If there aren't any independents up for grabs as you say, then poll numbers are not going to change much. Obama is your president for the next four years.
 
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GAVol said:
Exactly . . . It's a page right out of the 2004 Karl Rove playbook. Instead of courting the middle that's not there, create more voters in the base.
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The Democratic Party and the Kerry Campaign had more to do with Bush getting reelected than Karl Rove did.
 
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The pics of Romney and Ryan today say it all. Two trickle down frauds in button down-type shirts with fake smiles. American people have woken up to the scam and are not buying.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The pics of Romney and Ryan today say it all. Two trickle down frauds in button down-type shirts with fake smiles. American people have woken up to the scam and are not buying.
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All of these guys (on both sides) are frauds. When are YOU going to realize that, LG? You are playing partisan, and not playing reality.

If the GOP loses this time around, they may as well be from Helsinki because they're Finnish. If the best you can do against a liberal black candidate is lose back-to-back elections with the kind of weaksauce they've run out there, they deserve to be pounded into oblivion.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The pics of Romney and Ryan today say it all. Two trickle down frauds in button down-type shirts with fake smiles. American people have woken up to the scam and are not buying.
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What's so horrible about being fake anyway? No human being can do the same crap every day (especially something as stressful as this) and still be legitimately enthusiastic about it whenever a camera is near.

Heck, I'd be less supportive of Romney right now if he actually believed what he was saying to pander to the audience. Finding a politican who is both honest and powerful just isn't that realistic.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The pics of Romney and Ryan today say it all. Two trickle down frauds in button down-type shirts with fake smiles. American people have woken up to the scam and are not buying.
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Lulz @ the fake smile comment.

Every time is see that sh*t eating grin on Obama's face, I wanna knock him into next week.
 
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UTRavens said:
What's so horrible about being fake anyway? No human being can do the same crap every day (especially something as stressful as this) and still be legitimately enthusiastic about it whenever a camera is near.

Heck, I'd be less supportive of Romney right now if he actually believed what he was saying to pander to the audience. Finding a politican who is both honest and powerful just isn't that realistic.
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It is a sad thing in our society when being genuine and having a backbone of some sort is a death sentence in politics. Then we wonder why we are in the mess that we are in.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The pics of Romney and Ryan today say it all. Two trickle down frauds in button down-type shirts with fake smiles. American people have woken up to the scam and are not buying.
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Solid liberal talkin points. Well done.

Obamas hope is that everybody will forget the last 4 years and that his campaign can get death and other silliness to stick enough to win an election.

I ll give him credit where he is a terrible leader he is a great politician. Too bad for the country
 
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one positive takeaway from the VP pick is we'll find out a lot about our country's perception of our growing debt problem.

Romney/Ryan: supporting a plan that will bend the curve; some people will have to sacrifice.

Obama/Biden: supporting a plan that doesn't address the spending problem; soak the rich.
 
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dreVol said:
one positive takeaway from the VP pick is we'll find out a lot about our country's perception of our growing debt problem.

Romney/Ryan: supporting a plan that will bend the curve; some people will have to sacrifice.

Obama/Biden: supporting a plan that will meaningfully reduce the debt by spreading a combination of benefits cuts an tax increases across the class spectrum in a reasonable manner.
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Fyp
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Where are you getting this from? It is the exact opposite.

Romney has now tied himself to Ryan's budget. Last thing you want to do in an election year like this when your opponent can retort with only vague proposals.

Ryan will probably cost Romney a legitimate shot at Florida. That would be game over.
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Ryan's budget polled well with seniors
 
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lawgator1 said:
Fyp
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LG, sometimes I appreciate reading different points of view but do you honestly think that Obama cares to meaningfully reduce the debt? For all the warranted outcry over the expense of Iraq he spent nearly as much as his stimulus plan that thankfully did what he said and kept the unemployment rate under 8%....

While I do not agree with all parts of Ryans plan, he has at least put one forth. We can all agree the largest entitlement facing our country is Medicare. Adjustments have to be made but any attempt to do so is demonized. Obama has not even had his budget passed in three years, and before you complain about partisan republicans he had a supermajority for the first two years. I am no fan of Romney at all, but I like Paul the best of the four.

Can you at least put partisanship behind and admit he is a better VP than Joe Biden?
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Where are you getting this from? It is the exact opposite.

Romney has now tied himself to Ryan's budget. Last thing you want to do in an election year like this when your opponent can retort with only vague proposals.

Ryan will probably cost Romney a legitimate shot at Florida. That would be game over.
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Ryan's budget polled the best with seniors!
 
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govols09 said:
LG, sometimes I appreciate reading different points of view but do you honestly think that Obama cares to meaningfully reduce the debt? For all the warranted outcry over the expense of Iraq he spent nearly as much as his stimulus plan that thankfully did what he said and kept the unemployment rate under 8%....

While I do not agree with all parts of Ryans plan, he has at least put one forth. We can all agree the largest entitlement facing our country is Medicare. Adjustments have to be made but any attempt to do so is demonized. Obama has not even had his budget passed in three years, and before you complain about partisan republicans he had a supermajority for the first two years. I am no fan of Romney at all, but I like Paul the best of the four.

Can you at least put partisanship behind and admit he is a better VP than Joe Biden?
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Obama is too much of a chicken **** to deal responsobly with the entitlement crisis
 
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golfballs said:
Ryan's budget polled well with seniors
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If it has, I haven't seen that poll yet.

CNN Poll: Majority gives thumbs down to Ryan plan – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

"Half of those we questioned say that the country would be worse off under the GOP Medicare proposals and 56 percent think that GOP plan would be bad for the elderly," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "Opposition is highest among senior citizens, at 74 percent, suggesting that seniors are most worried about changes to Medicare even if those changes are presented as ones that would not affect existing Medicare recipients."
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