Roster Crunch

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therickbol said:
Yep CW Post was a patient at the Sanitorium and he stole the recipe to create Grape Nuts and start the Post company. Dr. Kellogg refused to sell the cereal outside of the Sanitorium so the younger brother Will started the Kellogg's cereal company. They fought over it the rest of their lives. Dr. Kellogg lost the battle in court because he had accepted money from Will for the rights to the cereal. And the fact that all the advertising creating "the brand" was done by Will.
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Dude bought the company that made Kellogg's machines to produce his cereal.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
None of the transfers we took play the same position as Dilione…?
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Gainey and Carr do. And if you look at size/position breakdown, Knecht and Ledlum both could end up playing some 2 just to get them on thr floor (assuming they both pan out). Ledlum could play some 4, but knecht isn't really built to play 4.

Im not saying dilione should transfer or that I think he will. Its just that of you look at our roster we have a whole lot of guys who do the same thing. I'm assuming he brought in Knecht and Ledlum because he believes in them more than the guys we've already got. Jefferson is the more likely candidate yo be pushed out.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Just not sure why you'd even mention him as a possibility. You also referred to Edwards as one of our only two true PGs, which he's not. He's running behind Dilione on the scout team at PG and is playing more off the ball. He needs to work on his shot in the offseason, per Rick Barnes. Both of those hints suggest his future, if he has one at Tennessee, is at the SG spot. That alone would make him more likely, and reasonable, as a transfer candidate. Dilione is not an ideal PG, perhaps, but he can beat his man off the dribble, he can get to the rim, and he can operate as a facilitator and a scorer.
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Edwards is a more natural PG and Dilione is a combo guard. If we lose Edwards, we will be where we were last year with only one true point guard.
 
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Vols410 said:
Position isn't that well defined in reality though. On the court you have schemes, and you need pieces in place to make those schemes click.

Last year our only true PG went down and the offense sputtered. Part of that is our lack of shooters made us heavily dependent on the pick-and-roll actions through Zeigler and Santi coming off off-ball screens all over the court. A solid traditional PG type is necessary for that kind P&R scheme, and losing ZZ left us with only screening Santi as an option.

Even though Knecht is a wing and we have a bunch of those, it can give us a 4/5-out spacing look with ZZ/Santi/Knecht/Ledlum and even Aidoo who can step out a bit. If one of the new guys and/or Gainey can be a relatively consistent spot-up threat, it gives you even more flexibility.

All that to say, we didn't get another PG, but the guys that we've added have also made a traditional PG less of a necessity to get something out of our offense.
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Thats a good point.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
I didn’t remember Grape Nuts in that episode, but I wasn’t paying close attention. I remember something about Post Toasties and a Kellogg brotger came up with Corn Flakes. And I think the Kellogg brother that wasn’t the doctor started the company called Kellogg’s and Dr Kellogg claimed they were successful because of his name being used (and the brother was also named Kellogg). Weird history.

BTW, Cocoa Pebbles for the win.
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C.W. Post was a patient of John Kellogg and he invented Grape Nuts to compete wit Corn Flakes.

Post's daughter Marjorie later bought Clarence Birdseye's fish and vegetable patent for 12 million dollars.
 
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Putbacks said:
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While growing up in the 70's, when my parents splurged on the variety pack for us kids, Product 19 was always the last box eaten. I guess Product 19 was our Area 51 on the kitchen table....When we had to, we made it work....
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I always ate everything in that variety pack except the sugar pops and Special K cereals.
 
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jaguinn5 said:
Edwards is a more natural PG and Dilione is a combo guard. If we lose Edwards, we will be where we were last year with only one true point guard.
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Edwards is definitely not a natural PG. He will develop a perimeter shot that allows him to play off the ball or he will be forced to move down to a lower level. He is not a PG at the SEC level. Ledlum will POSSIBLY play some 3. He will definitely not play the 2.
 
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therickbol said:
Edwards is definitely not a natural PG. He will develop a perimeter shot that allows him to play off the ball or he will be forced to move down to a lower level. He is not a PG at the SEC level. Ledlum will POSSIBLY play some 3. He will definitely not play the 2.
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Edwards has always been a PG. Thats his position. You can claim he isnt good enough, but there's no argument to be had about his position.
 
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therickbol said:
Edwards is definitely not a natural PG. He will develop a perimeter shot that allows him to play off the ball or he will be forced to move down to a lower level. He is not a PG at the SEC level. Ledlum will POSSIBLY play some 3. He will definitely not play the 2.
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And Ledlum is a SF. He could play an undersized 4, but he's going to have to add some serious weight if he wants to play there primarily.
 
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jaguinn5 said:
And Ledlum is a SF. He could play an undersized 4, but he's going to have to add some serious weight if he wants to play there primarily.
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He has 20lbs on JJJ who played a bunch of 4, I’m starting to wonder if you have watched this team. Edwards isn’t a PG, if you don’t realize that then you haven’t paid much attention, there’s a reason the staff has moved him off the ball and Dilione is playing PG over him.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
He has 20lbs on JJJ who played a bunch of 4, I’m starting to wonder if you have watched this team. Edwards isn’t a PG, if you don’t realize that then you haven’t paid much attention, there’s a reason the staff has moved him off the ball and Dilione is playing PG over him.
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JJJ also isn't a natural 4. He played there because we didn't have many other options, not because its his natural position. Theres a bunch of examples of guys having to play secondary positions (mainly at 1 and 4) as a result of poor roster construction in the last few years. We haven't had consistently good post play since Grant Williams and we haven't really ever had quality depth at point guard under Barnes. We've had quality point guards, but not depth.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
He has 20lbs on JJJ who played a bunch of 4, I’m starting to wonder if you have watched this team. Edwards isn’t a PG, if you don’t realize that then you haven’t paid much attention, there’s a reason the staff has moved him off the ball and Dilione is playing PG over him.
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Amd i don't know what you are talking about with Edwards. He played primarily PG as a recruit and was ranked as a top PG. He was recruited as a PG. He has practiced as a PG. Hes been talked about all season as a PG. It feels like you are just saying what you think instead of what is actually reality. Dilione can play point, but he's a natural SG, just like Santi. Edwards is a natural PG. If he doesn't work out here, it isnt because he is out of position at the point. Thats his position.
 
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jaguinn5 said:
Edwards has always been a PG. Thats his position. You can claim he isnt good enough, but there's no argument to be had about his position.
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JJJ was always a PG, too, until he wasn't because he got exposed at the collegiate level. What happened? He moved off the ball. Edwards isn't quick enough to guard opposing PGs, ans he isn't a good enough or crafty enough ball-handler to consistently penetrate the lane to get to the rim or find an open teammate as the defense collapses on him.
 
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jaguinn5 said:
Amd i don't know what you are talking about with Edwards. He played primarily PG as a recruit and was ranked as a top PG. He was recruited as a PG. He has practiced as a PG. Hes been talked about all season as a PG. It feels like you are just saying what you think instead of what is actually reality. Dilione can play point, but he's a natural SG, just like Santi. Edwards is a natural PG. If he doesn't work out here, it isnt because he is out of position at the point. Thats his position.
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Sheesh, ok man.
 
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jaguinn5 said:
Edwards is a more natural PG and Dilione is a combo guard. If we lose Edwards, we will be where we were last year with only one true point guard.
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Edwards may have been projected as a point guard coming out of high school, but nothing we’ve seen from him to this point suggests he is a “natural” point guard. The staff seems to have felt the same way given how he wasn’t a factor even after ZZ’s injury. Any minutes he gets will likely come at 2 guard.

The fact that Mashack saw significant minutes at point down the stretch ahead of Edwards speaks volumes.
 
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BisonVol said:
Edwards may have been projected as a point guard coming out of high school, but nothing we’ve seen from him to this point suggests he is a “natural” point guard. The staff seems to have felt the same way given how he wasn’t a factor even after ZZ’s injury. Any minutes he gets will likely come at 2 guard.

The fact that Mashack saw significant minutes at point down the stretch ahead of Edwards speaks volumes.
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We will see what happens with Edwards. I'm not sure the message board experts ever really know (myself included).

Anyways, did someone make a random post about cereal in here?
 
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Did the coaches mis-evaluate Edwards as a PG? Why did UT recruit him if they weren't sure he was good enough to be PG?
 
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orangemadam said:
Did the coaches mis-evaluate Edwards as a PG? Why did UT recruit him if they weren't sure he was good enough to be PG?
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Coaches miss, every one of them, in every sport…they felt some pressure I am sure because he was in their backyard and if you don’t take him and he goes elsewhere everyone is mad about that then, it’s a no win spot. I will add that BMaze’s AAU program has a major issue developing kids past a certain point and that seems to have also likely happened with Edwards, they’ve struggled to develop kids past a certain level.
 
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