Roster Crunch

#79
#79
bleedingTNorange said:
Coaches miss, every one of them, in every sport…they felt some pressure I am sure because he was in their backyard and if you don’t take him and he goes elsewhere everyone is mad about that then, it’s a no win spot. I will add that BMaze’s AAU program has a major issue developing kids past a certain point and that seems to have also likely happened with Edwards, they’ve struggled to develop kids past a certain level.
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Agenda driven fans misevaluate exponentially more than coaches..... so there we are.....
 
#80
#80
cncchris33 said:
JJJ was always a PG, too, until he wasn't because he got exposed at the collegiate level. What happened? He moved off the ball. Edwards isn't quick enough to guard opposing PGs, ans he isn't a good enough or crafty enough ball-handler to consistently penetrate the lane to get to the rim or find an open teammate as the defense collapses on him.
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JJJ was a CG at best. He was seen as being capable of playing PG, but not necessarily as a natural PG.
 
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#82
I can understand mis evaluating on a prospect, but since pg is the qb of basketball, this is a vital position to be sure of proper evaluation. Can't afford to be wrong on this position.

I guess that shows how important pg is, as we missed our chance at FF possibly because we did not evaluate the pg position need properly.
 
#83
#83
bleedingTNorange said:
Santiago Vescovi was also listed as a PG…
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And the reason he got moved to shooting guard was because he could shoot but couldn't drive. He is the opposite if Edwards. Edwards can drive but can't shoot, which is what Barnes wants from his PGs. They need to be able to drive and distribute on offense.

We may just have to agree to disagree here. I view Edwards as a true point guard, especially in Barnes's system. He may not end up being good enough for Barnes, but he definitely isn't going to be a full time off ball guy in this system. His strengths and weaknesses put him at PG in this system, which is what he was recruited for.
 
#84
#84
orangemadam said:
I can understand mis evaluating on a prospect, but since pg is the qb of basketball, this is a vital position to be sure of proper evaluation. Can't afford to be wrong on this position.

I guess that shows how important pg is, as we missed our chance at FF possibly because we did not evaluate the pg position need properly.
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A very good additional PG was never going to be an easy spot to fill. ZZ had a very productive freshman season and was highly likely to be a 4-year contributor. BJ Edwards was a pretty good idea. The fact that Mashack, Key, JJJ, and SV were better options to backup ZZ is on BJE. I wouldn’t write him off just yet either, although throwing Dilione into the mix instead of Key and JJJ isn’t making BJE’s path any easier.
 
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#85
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jaguinn5 said:
And the reason he got moved to shooting guard was because he could shoot but couldn't drive. He is the opposite if Edwards. Edwards can drive but can't shoot, which is what Barnes wants from his PGs. They need to be able to drive and distribute on offense.

We may just have to agree to disagree here. I view Edwards as a true point guard, especially in Barnes's system. He may not end up being good enough for Barnes, but he definitely isn't going to be a full time off ball guy in this system. His strengths and weaknesses put him at PG in this system, which is what he was recruited for.
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Agree to disagree is warranted. You are literally on an island though. Even Barnes comments and reports from people around the program say differently. He does not have the tools to be a PG at this level. It's just not his best fit. That is fine. He has other qualities that could allow him to be successful off the ball. Then he could be successful as a combo guard. But the first thing is that he must improve his perimeter shot. He reportedly works really hard. And Barnes has lots of confidence in himself that he can vastly improve the shooting ability of players who are willing to work hard at it. I think that is where the staff has confidence when it comes to Edwards.
 
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orangemadam said:
I can understand mis evaluating on a prospect, but since pg is the qb of basketball, this is a vital position to be sure of proper evaluation. Can't afford to be wrong on this position.

I guess that shows how important pg is, as we missed our chance at FF possibly because we did not evaluate the pg position need properly.
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Once again, just like every other position, all coaches miss on PG’s (and every other position).
 
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jaguinn5 said:
And the reason he got moved to shooting guard was because he could shoot but couldn't drive. He is the opposite if Edwards. Edwards can drive but can't shoot, which is what Barnes wants from his PGs. They need to be able to drive and distribute on offense.

We may just have to agree to disagree here. I view Edwards as a true point guard, especially in Barnes's system. He may not end up being good enough for Barnes, but he definitely isn't going to be a full time off ball guy in this system. His strengths and weaknesses put him at PG in this system, which is what he was recruited for.
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Edwards has shown no ability to drive the ball, I once again question if you watched this team and Edwards in the opportunities he was given, it looked like he was eating buttered popcorn on the bench before coming into the game.

I hate to break it to you but he’s not likely to be a PG or any other position for that matter, in this system at Tennessee.
 
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therickbol said:
Agree to disagree is warranted. You are literally on an island though. Even Barnes comments and reports from people around the program say differently. He does not have the tools to be a PG at this level. It's just not his best fit. That is fine. He has other qualities that could allow him to be successful off the ball. Then he could be successful as a combo guard. But the first thing is that he must improve his perimeter shot. He reportedly works really hard. And Barnes has lots of confidence in himself that he can vastly improve the shooting ability of players who are willing to work hard at it. I think that is where the staff has confidence when it comes to Edwards.
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For some reason the OP wants to ignore the fact Barnes himself has taken Edwards off the PG position…
 
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I just don't think it's fair to just say Barnes missed on the PG position. We had KC and ZZ last year and didn't make the Sweet Sixteen. He put Bone in the NBA, Springer was also drafted, KC and ZZ both have gotten All SEC honors.

I think the track record shows Barnes knows how to develop and identify PGs, and JJJ/Santi and now BJ just aren't true PGs for his system, that's not 100% a bad evaluation and it's not 100% a bad player either. BJ likely can develop and have a better career focusing as an off guard, if anything as a player I think having a coaching staff that can recognize where your skillset best fits is a positive.
 
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#90
#90
jaguinn5 said:
And the reason he got moved to shooting guard was because he could shoot but couldn't drive. He is the opposite if Edwards. Edwards can drive but can't shoot, which is what Barnes wants from his PGs. They need to be able to drive and distribute on offense.

We may just have to agree to disagree here. I view Edwards as a true point guard, especially in Barnes's system. He may not end up being good enough for Barnes, but he definitely isn't going to be a full time off ball guy in this system. His strengths and weaknesses put him at PG in this system, which is what he was recruited for.
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When did Edwards show that he can drive? I don’t mean to bash the kid, but in the minutes he got this season, he didn’t show much.

Again, if the guy was a natural point guard, he would have gotten meaningful minutes before and especially after ZZ’s injury.
 
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#91
#91
jaguinn5 said:
JJJ was a CG at best. He was seen as being capable of playing PG, but not necessarily as a natural PG.
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Tell that to on3 and ESPN who labeled him as a PG. Not sure why you have twice agreed to disagree about Edwards's position, yet still keep coming back to the well to defend it. As another poster stated, your on an island on this one. JJJ isn't a PG at the SEC level for a lot of the same reasons BJE won't be one (lack of quickness and ball-handling).
 
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#92
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cncchris33 said:
JJJ was always a PG, too, until he wasn't because he got exposed at the collegiate level. What happened? He moved off the ball. Edwards isn't quick enough to guard opposing PGs, ans he isn't a good enough or crafty enough ball-handler to consistently penetrate the lane to get to the rim or find an open teammate as the defense collapses on him.
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If this is all true then Edwards needs to be a lights out shooter otherwise he seems pretty worthless.
 
#93
#93
Edwards isn't leaving the program, he is putting in the work to get better. Personally, when I saw Edwards check in to some games last year, I wasn't a fan of his game, he seems really clunky and slow. I wouldn't mind him being the odd man out but I don't see it

I have no idea who is going to be the odd man out but unfortunately it's going to be someone that we don't want to see leave.

Dillione, Carr and Edwards are players that I don't see hitting the transfer portal.

Could we see someone like Mashack or Jefferson go? I think that's probably the most likely scenario

I hope the staff is able to pull something off like blue shirt one of the newcomers or make someone a pwo while paying them some NIL money

Regardless as to who leaves, this is a really good roster and we are in a good situation right now. I can't think of any other UT team in history that had this many good players on the roster
 
#96
#96
Vols till I fall said:
Edwards isn't leaving the program, he is putting in the work to get better. Personally, when I saw Edwards check in to some games last year, I wasn't a fan of his game, he seems really clunky and slow. I wouldn't mind him being the odd man out but I don't see it

I have no idea who is going to be the odd man out but unfortunately it's going to be someone that we don't want to see leave.

Dillione, Carr and Edwards are players that I don't see hitting the transfer portal.

Could we see someone like Mashack or Jefferson go? I think that's probably the most likely scenario

I hope the staff is able to pull something off like blue shirt one of the newcomers or make someone a pwo while paying them some NIL money

Regardless as to who leaves, this is a really good roster and we are in a good situation right now. I can't think of any other UT team in history that had this many good players on the roster
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Barnes spoke pretty glowingly of Jefferson a few days ago when asked about him. Doubt Jefferson goes anywhere.

I guess you never say never with the portal, but it would be a bizarre move for Mashack to leave. He played a lot in the back half of the season and is set to have a big role next season.

I’m not sure where the narrative of Dillione potential leaving is coming from. He didn’t enroll early just to transfer 4 months later.

The most likely candidate to leave is Edwards. It may be a case of him getting pushed out the door, but someone has to go.
 
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#97
#97
BisonVol said:
Barnes spoke pretty glowingly of Jefferson a few days ago when asked about him. Doubt Jefferson goes anywhere.

I guess you never say never with the portal, but it would be a bizarre move for Mashack to leave. He played a lot in the back half of the season and is set to have a big role next season.

I’m not sure where the narrative of Dillione potential leaving is coming from. He didn’t enroll early just to transfer 4 months later.

The most likely candidate to leave is Edwards. It may be a case of him getting pushed out the door, but someone has to go.
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This narrative of Dillione leaving is straight up nonsensical. Like you said correctly, why would he leave after RS'ing and enrolling early?

I don't mean this in a mean way, but u do hope Edwards is the one that leaves. This is nothing against the kid, but I don't think he's talented enough to play meaningful minutes at Tennessee during this time. I can definitely see him playing at the d1 level but in a non power 5 conference. There's so much talent on this roster, and I don't think you jeopardize anyone else leaving besides Edwards

I would be disturbed to see Jefferson leave, that kid is going to be a star
 
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#98
#98
bleedingTNorange said:
Edwards has shown no ability to drive the ball, I once again question if you watched this team and Edwards in the opportunities he was given, it looked like he was eating buttered popcorn on the bench before coming into the game.

I hate to break it to you but he’s not likely to be a PG or any other position for that matter, in this system at Tennessee.
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Perhaps Edwards hits the transfer portal after next season if his game does not develop a lot.
 
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#99
#99
Vols till I fall said:
Edwards isn't leaving the program, he is putting in the work to get better. Personally, when I saw Edwards check in to some games last year, I wasn't a fan of his game, he seems really clunky and slow. I wouldn't mind him being the odd man out but I don't see it

I have no idea who is going to be the odd man out but unfortunately it's going to be someone that we don't want to see leave.

Dillione, Carr and Edwards are players that I don't see hitting the transfer portal.

Could we see someone like Mashack or Jefferson go? I think that's probably the most likely scenario

I hope the staff is able to pull something off like blue shirt one of the newcomers or make someone a pwo while paying them some NIL money

Regardless as to who leaves, this is a really good roster and we are in a good situation right now. I can't think of any other UT team in history that had this many good players on the roster
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If I had to guess it would be Jefferson.
 
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