Russia Blocks Kerch Strait

[Pacer92]

Zero to gain? Are you being serious?

As in what?!

Demonization from the whole western world?

 

[Velo Vol]

You sure about that?

A generalization of the last 70 years. Obviously there are exceptions.

So why should we be sticking our nose in though?

See above and add to that the fact this is happening in the backyard of several small, friendly states. And if we just watch it happen some of them could be next.

 

[lawgator1]

If you took time to read the first sentence of the article you would see that Russian state borders were violated...

According to ....

 

[Velo Vol]

Oh good, @Pacer92 is finally here to give us the Russian account.

 

[Grand Vol]

A generalization of the last 70 years. Obviously there are exceptions.

See above and add to that the fact this is happening in the backyard of several small, friendly states. And if we just watch it happen some of them could be next.

More exceptions than you care to talk about, I'm sure.

We aren't lily white in "respecting" international borders" unless it suits us.

 

[NorthDallas40]

If you took time to read the first sentence of the article you would see that Russian state borders were violated...

So since you’re linked into all of the apology reasoning of the FSB have you seen a valid reason given yet as to why they grounded a tanker in the commercial channel and blocked off all maritime traffic into the Sea of Azov in the first damn place?!

 

[lawgator1]

More exceptions than you care to talk about, I'm sure.

We aren't lily white in "respecting" international borders" unless it suits us.

That's true but this is not a moral debate. It's a question of whether the world, or our corner of it, resists an effort by a rival to take over a sovereign country.

 

[Grand Vol]

That's true but this is not a moral debate. It's a question of whether the world, or our corner of it, resists an effort by a rival to take over a sovereign country.

And this has what to do with Trump?

 

[Velo Vol]

A pretty good background article from August.

Russia Opens a New Front in Its War Against Ukraine: the Sea of Azov

Fun fact: there's undeveloped oil/gas in the Sea of Azov

Also, regarding the timing, don't forget this:

“There is a significant risk that the Kremlin will attempt to worsen the crisis on the Sea of Azov as it struggles to deal with increasing social tension,” Holcomb said. “The Kremlin regularly provokes international crisis to distract Russian society from, and often provide excuses for, worsening socio-economic conditions.”

Oil selloff this month can't be good for the motherland.

 

[Pacer92]

So since you’re linked into all of the apology reasoning of the FSB have you seen a valid reason given yet as to why they grounded a tanker in the commercial channel and blocked off all maritime traffic into the Sea of Azov in the first damn place?!

The first place?! I doubt there would had been a confrontation if that were the case...don’t you think?!

 

[Pacer92]

A pretty good background article from August.

Russia Opens a New Front in Its War Against Ukraine: the Sea of Azov

Fun fact: there's undeveloped oil/gas in the Sea of Azov

Also, regarding the timing, don't forget this:



Oil selloff this month can't be good for the motherland.

Lol

 

[Pacer92]

According to ....

Would it matter to you....or the rest of the russophobes?!

 

[NorthDallas40]

The first place?! I doubt there would had been a confrontation if that were the case...don’t you think?!

 

[lawgator1]

And this has what to do with Trump?

Oh come on. You know the answer to that.

 

[Velo Vol]

We aren't lily white in "respecting" international borders" unless it suits us.

No, but we don't do overt land grabs, or even colonize.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

What? You do know they had entered talks to join but it was shelved by Yanukovych right?

Yanukovich I thought blocked entrance into EU. Either way, Ukraine's ties to Russia are far stronger than with Western Europe.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

How many cookies did Nuland send over in order to get the Ukrainians to provoke an armed response by Russian Forces?

You joke, but instead of our State Department sending cookies, we sent arms to Kiev. You do realize this, correct?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Yanukovich I thought blocked entrance into EU. Either way, Ukraine's ties to Russia are far stronger than with Western Europe.

Ukraine petitioned to join the NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP: the first step to membership) in 2008. Yanukovych shelved these plans when he took office in 2010.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Sadly, as before, the only real leverage likely to be exercised by the west here are sanctions.

Hey, look at how well sanctions have worked up to now...

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Actually, there are Russian sanctions in place, and if enough heat is applied I wouldn't be surprised to see Trump grudgingly go along with new ones.

His is a marriage of convenience to Putin.

Seriously, how are you going to sanction Russis when they are trading partners and border China?

 

[Velo Vol]

Lol

For quite a while I wondered if you were a schelp working in a St. Petersburg cubical, but you appear to know too much about Tennessee for that to be the case.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Are they hoping for a new massacre in Maidan?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The U.S. stands for, or at least it used to, the rules that protect the territorial integrity of recognized states.

How about we enforce and recognize our own international borders before we go halfway across the globe arming fringe groups?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Okay so are we supposed to be the worlds police or not?

You tell me.

 

[Velo Vol]

Seriously, how are you going to sanction Russis when they are trading partners and border China?

Freeze more oligarch assets, for starters. That's where it hurts.