Russia bounty on US troops

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Mick said:
Do you want Russian bank statements or something?
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He posted something which led me to believe there was a count or estimate of soldiers KIA who had bounties. The info he provided seemed like a total count since 2018. I didn't see any body counts or estimates in the link OP posted. So, I was curious what the number is.

If there is a count, a speculation, or an estimate, I would appreciate anyone sharing. It won't change my take on the matter, but it would be a detail worth considering.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
I think he wants us to cross reference the deaths with the bounty payouts that Russia has posted. He may then believe it.
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Hey smart guy. If you post:
titansvolsfaninga said:
It's amazing the furor that existed over Benghazi....it's almost as if it is not about deaths.....
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don't get your panties twisted that I misunderstood you had a count of deaths which made comparison between the two stories possible.

If youre just twisting the knife on the Rs, so be it.
 
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Weezer said:
We can sanction, but sanctions will have little teeth IMO. I'm not against that course, but question what good it will do when some of our so called allies will continue to conduct business with Russia? And I'm okay with Trump calling out the action and criticizing Russia, but we know "cut that out" isn't very effective. So what, of any true consequence, can we do? I'm not against the paper tiger tactics, but let's not pretend they actually accomplish anything.
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In a situation like this least action should have been condemnation at the UN Security Council and sanctions at the least. The most severe response would making a SRV station chief in some African nation disappear.
 
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carlos86 said:
They literally laid out options of actions to take and he said “meh”
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My question was more of a general foreign policy question and how it relates to any POTUS in this kind of circumstance.
Have the options that were presented to him been mentioned yet or are we just wanting to assume he said the hell with it because it’s Russia?
 
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So President WP says he was not ever briefed on this. Does anyone believe that? Or is it more likely that he was briefed, decided to do nothing about it, and realized that it reconfirmed the allegation that he is too favorable to them so he lied and claimed he did not know about it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
So President WP says he was not ever briefed on this. Does anyone believe that? Or is it more likely that he was briefed, decided to do nothing about it, and realized that it reconfirmed the allegation that he is too favorable to them so he lied and claimed he did not know about it.
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Are you saying that Trump, or both Trump and Pence, were briefed on it?
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Are you saying that Trump, or both Trump and Pence, were briefed on it?
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It strains credulity for them to claim they were not.

Personally, I am sensing some growing frustration from Pence towards Trump. Pence said this weekend that people ought to wear masks. Seems like a direct insult to Trump
 
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carlos86 said:
In a situation like this least action should have been condemnation at the UN Security Council and sanction. The most severe response would making a SRV station chief in some African nation disappear.
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I can agree with this.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Are you saying that Trump, or both Trump and Pence, were briefed on it?
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If it is a thing, and he wasn't briefed, why is he golfing today? Wouldn't he call an emergency meeting to find out what happened, why was he nor pence briefed, and what measures need to be taken now against Russia.
 
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“Several people familiar with the matter said it was unclear exactly how many Americans or coalition troops from other countries may have been killed or targeted under the program. U.S. forces in Afghanistan suffered a total of 10 deaths from hostile gunfire or improvised bombs in 2018, and 16 in 2019. Two have been killed this year. In each of those years, several service members were also killed by what are known as “green on blue” hostile incidents by Afghan security forces who are sometimes believed to have been infiltrated by the Taliban.
The intelligence was passed up from the U.S. Special Operations forces based in Afghanistan and led to a restricted high-level White House meeting in late March”

“Among the coalition of NATO forces in Afghanistan, the British were briefed late last week on the intelligence assessment,”
 
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carlos86 said:
“Several people familiar with the matter said it was unclear exactly how many Americans or coalition troops from other countries may have been killed or targeted under the program. U.S. forces in Afghanistan suffered a total of 10 deaths from hostile gunfire or improvised bombs in 2018, and 16 in 2019. Two have been killed this year. In each of those years, several service members were also killed by what are known as “green on blue” hostile incidents by Afghan security forces who are sometimes believed to have been infiltrated by the Taliban.
The intelligence was passed up from the U.S. Special Operations forces based in Afghanistan and led to a restricted high-level White House meeting in late March”

“Among the coalition of NATO forces in Afghanistan, the British were briefed late last week on the intelligence assessment,”
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The outrage over this is not going to go away, no matter how much Trump tries to ignore it.
 
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So does Trump need to have a public response to think a response has been made? What if, as Carlos suggested, a station chief in Africa disappeared? We might never hear of it, but it would be seen as a response.

And I'm for Trump acknowledging it, and making a statement of some sort, but as far as actual response, how public does it need to be?
 
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Weezer said:
So does Trump need to have a public response to think a response has been made? What if, as Carlos suggested, a station chief in Africa disappeared? We might never hear of it, but it would be seen as a response.

And I'm for Trump acknowledging it, and making a statement of some sort, but as far as actual response, how public does it need to be?
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What an oxymoron.
 
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Weezer said:
So does Trump need to have a public response to think a response has been made? What if, as Carlos suggested, a station chief in Africa disappeared? We might never hear of it, but it would be seen as a response.

And I'm for Trump acknowledging it, and making a statement of some sort, but as far as actual response, how public does it need to be?
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It’s too late to acknowledge it. They denied it and can’t walk it back because they would have to either say that Trump knew and didn’t take any action or the NSC and the National Security Adviser refused to brief him and that’s just as bad.

“the implications of who knew what/when on the Russia bounty intel are concerning: if the IC didn’t brief the White House, that’s a problem. If the NSC had it & didn’t brief it, that’s also a problem. If the White House was briefed & didn’t act, that's unconscionable.” - Former Republican Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee
 
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carlos86 said:
It’s too late to acknowledge it. They denied it and can’t walk it back because they would have to either say that Trump knew and didn’t take any action or the NSC and the National Security Adviser refused to brief him and that’s just as bad.
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So now that this is out there, what do you think should happen?

Being honest, I think this is the kind of information the public should never hear about. If I had to guess, it got leaked for the purpose of making Trump look bad, which all has roots in political games I hate. That said, information like this, in the past, would have been kept hush-hush, and the response/retaliation would have been just as hush-hush. This is not a new tactic, and I'm willing to bet the CIA has employed the same method. These kind of tit for tat squabbles between countries used to be settled very cloak and dagger like.
 
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