Russia bounty on US troops

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McDad said:
I think we (DJT, Biden, whomever) should lobby for Russia to be in the G7. As I offered earlier, I don't understand how America makes the case for Russia being so bad when we have trade partnerships with other countries who are just as bad or worse. I think if we want to sincerely pull out of the cold war mindset and forge better relationships we must look for diplomatic and economic ways to bridge the divide in an attempt to move forward.
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Russia should not return to the G-7 until it withdraws it’s forced from Ukraine and Crimea is back under Ukraine’s control. As as for the “Cold War mindset” comment the reason we are even here is because of Obama’s idealist view that we should end that mindset all the while Russia had never left that mindset.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Just to be clear, Russia was kicked out of the G 8 over their annexation of Crimea. There are a wide array of reasons that they should not be allowed back in. This just adds to an already lengthy and still growing list.
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I’m not arguing in favor of Russia but they are no different than China in terms of their actions
 
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carlos86 said:
Russia should not return to the G-7 until it withdraws it’s forced from Ukraine and Crimea is back under Ukraine’s control. As as for the “Cold War mindset” comment the reason we are even here is because of Obama’s idealist view that we should end that mindset all the while Russia had never left that mindset.
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This is accurate and Obama deserves heat for his approach to Russia. I will make one slight modification though. Boris Yeltsin had left the Cold War mindset, Vladimir Putin has not left it... and seems intent on a full-scale return.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
This is accurate and Obama deserves heat for his approach to Russia. I will make one slight modification though. Boris Yeltsin had left the Cold War mindset, Vladimir Putin has not left it... and seems intent on a full-scale return.
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Putin hated Yeltsin and blamed him for what happened to Russia after the fall of the wall. He has spent ever second in office attempting to reverse the effects of the end of the Cold War and put Russia in the position to be a power on the world stage again. Even with half the power it once had Putin knows that if he uses his power in the right ways Russia can still exsert its influence just as it is doing in the Middle East and in Northern Africa. In his mind, the Cold War never ended, the Bear only went into hibernation.
 
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McDad said:
An attitude a few of us share in common.

You believe the Republic cannot be salvaged and return to its "leave me alone" foundations?
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The only two ways I can see it happening are one, the country’s financial situation becomes so dire that people come to the realization that big government Isn’t the answer to all that ills the country. The other way is that people become so repulsed by the climate of American politics that they say the hell with it and start voting for candidates who want to blow up the entire system and return to a “leave me alone” foundation. I’m 36 and am not very hopeful that either will occur in my lifetime.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
LOL....complete BS
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Or completely accurate. Hard for some to admit they engage in the exact same behavior they claim to detest. You cannot tell me Obama and Hillary did not/do not have cultish followings as well. Yet somehow that was AOK. And I agree that Trump has one too. There are absolutely certain people who will defend Trump no matter what. Certain posters on this board even. I've noticed their excuses when I've called out Trump over something. But it's really no different than the behavior of certain leftist posters who are also unable to admit simple truths about Dem politicians. Kind of like what you're doing.....
 
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carlos86 said:
Russia should not return to the G-7 until it withdraws it’s forced from Ukraine and Crimea is back under Ukraine’s control. As as for the “Cold War mindset” comment the reason we are even here is because of Obama’s idealist view that we should end that mindset all the while Russia had never left that mindset.
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It sucks we have presidents who for one reason or another are a destabilizing influence in global affairs. Our president only has 8 years. Other countries' leaders have decades (in some cases). Ukraine is responsible for Ukraine. If the world decides to arm them for control of their country, then so be it. America is not the Global Police Force. We continue to spend ourselves to insolvency while both the countries we oppose and support are strengthening their financial futures. Building lucrative trade relationships and using the financial leverage once it is established is really our best long term strategy.
 
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Boston Vol said:
The only two ways I can see it happening are one, the country’s financial situation becomes so dire that people come to the realization that big government Isn’t the answer to all that ills the country. The other way is that people become so repulsed by the climate of American politics that they say the hell with it and start voting for candidates who want to blow up the entire system and return to a “leave me alone” foundation. I’m 36 and am not very hopeful that either will occur in my lifetime.
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I'm 13 years further down than the road, and the prospects don't look any better from my vantage point.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
I just enjoy pointing out how exasperated Trumpers get when the Republicans' own looney methods are used against him. I guess it's not lunacy when Republicans do it. I'll call the Clinton impeachment whatever I want.
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Not sure why you refer to them as "the Republicans' own looney methods". Both sides have ownership. They use the same methods against each other, and when one side escalates, the other generally follows. And the Dems have certainly escalated under Trump. This is not one sided. This is not one side being "justified", which it almost seems you are trying to do. Both sides act like bratty little children fighting over a toy. Both are guilty.

As far as you bringing up Clinton, he was not impeached for a BJ. If that were the case, I'd understand the outrage(to a degree). Clinton was impeached for lying under oath about an extramarital relationship while being deposed for a lawsuit. The fact that Linda Tripp taped conversations proving such and dropped them in the lap of Kenneth Starr made them impossible to ignore IMO. Hell, Bill admitted he lied under oath, that he broke the law, and ultimately, he got away with it. He was allowed to remain in office. Stop and think how many people have been sent to jail for perjury, then compare it to what happened to BC. Now tell me his impeachment wasn't justified. There was conclusive, unarguable evidence he was guilty. I just find bringing Clinton's impeachment over his Monica lies to be such a BS argument. You can argue how it started over Whitewater, but you cannot argue what he was actually impeached for.
 
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carlos86 said:
The difference is that China has the world's 2nd largest economy while Russia is nothing more than Mexico with nukes and has the GDP of New York City.
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Curious. Are you saying that China and Russia can use the exact same tactics against America, but China gets a pass because of money? Legit question. I'm not sure where you're coming from on this one. Could you explain more?
 
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Weezer said:
Not sure why you refer to them as "the Republicans' own looney methods". Both sides have ownership. They use the same methods against each other, and when one side escalates, the other generally follows. And the Dems have certainly escalated under Trump. This is not one sided. This is not one side being "justified", which it almost seems you are trying to do. Both sides act like bratty little children fighting over a toy. Both are guilty.

As far as you bringing up Clinton, he was not impeached for a BJ. If that were the case, I'd understand the outrage(to a degree). Clinton was impeached for lying under oath about an extramarital relationship while being deposed for a lawsuit. The fact that Linda Tripp taped conversations proving such and dropped them in the lap of Kenneth Starr made them impossible to ignore IMO. Hell, Bill admitted he lied under oath, that he broke the law, and ultimately, he got away with it. He was allowed to remain in office. Stop and think how many people have been sent to jail for perjury, then compare it to what happened to BC. Now tell me his impeachment wasn't justified. There was conclusive, unarguable evidence he was guilty. I just find bringing Clinton's impeachment over his Monica lies to be such a BS argument. You can argue how it started over Whitewater, but you cannot argue what he was actually impeached for.
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I'm not justifying either sides actions, but I think its hypocritical to pretend like harassing a sitting president for anything you can dig up is Democrat lunacy. Its par for the course.

By the way, I'm fully aware of the backstory of the BJ impeachment. I guess Clinton and Trump are both pretty lucky that the Senate gets to try the case and determine what rises to the level of a high crime or misdemeanor under the impeachment provision.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
I'm not justifying either sides actions, but I think its hypocritical to pretend like harassing a sitting president for anything you can dig up is Democrat lunacy. Its par for the course.

By the way, I'm fully aware of the backstory of the BJ impeachment. I guess Clinton and Trump are both pretty lucky that the Senate gets to try the case and determine what rises to the level of a high crime or misdemeanor under the impeachment provision.
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If admitted perjury doesn't get you booted from office, then the bar is set pretty damn high on what a sitting POTUS can get away with.

As for the first part, if it's lunacy for the GOP, it's also lunacy for the Democrats. People have a hard time seeing they are he same. They push different agendas, but how they act, the way they do business, there is no difference between the two parties. Neither side can claim a high road.
 
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This is a flip of the script from 35-40 years ago. They’re trying to do the same thing we did to them back in the 80’s. The more things change the more they stay the same.
 
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“Two officials said the information about the bounty hunting was “well-known” among the intelligence community in Afghanistan, including the C.I.A.’s chief of station and other top officials there, like the military commandos hunting the Taliban. The information was distributed in intelligence reports and highlighted in some of them. Within the last several months, the assessment was compiled and sent up the chain of command to senior military and intelligence officials, eventually landing at the highest levels of the White House. The Security Council meeting in March came at a delicate time, as the coronavirus pandemicwas becoming a crisis and prompting shutdowns around the country.“

 
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Weezer said:
Is your blind loyalty to the left cultish? Trump has done plenty wrong, no denying that, and he certainly has his defenders, but they're no more vociferous than the defenders of Obama, or Hillary, or Biden, or Pelosi, or any prominent Democrat.
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I don't have blind loyalty to the left though. I have criticized policies of the left. There are plenty things that I don't agree with.
 
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Imagine thinking you’ll ever know what our response to this will be. There is so much **** that happens with regards to our foreign policy that will never reach the press. The payback will most likely be covert and the reporting of which would cause more embarrassment to the receiver than the giver.

My buddy was in the Rangers when Iraq kicked off, he said they were operating well ahead of main elements and working with OGA’s in different areas. They would go in, kill/capture the targets identified by the OGA, and then the Marines would secure the area. All you’d ever seen in the paper a week later was Marines take whatever town or village.
 
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"The crucial information that led the spies and commandos to focus on the bounties included the recovery of a large amount of American cash from a raid on a Taliban outpost that prompted suspicions. Interrogations of captured militants and criminals played a central role in making the intelligence community confident in its assessment that the Russians had offered and paid bounties in 2019, another official has said.
Armed with this information, military and intelligence officials have been reviewing American and other coalition combat casualties since early last year to determine whether any were victims of the plot. Four Americans were killed in combat in early 2020, but the Taliban have not attacked American positions since a February agreement to end the long-running war in Afghanistan."


 
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