Russia bounty on US troops

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RDU VOL#14 said:
As opposed to supplying Stingers and funneling weapons through Pakistan? Yes that was 35+ years ago, but their mindset is not much different on their end.
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I've seen several references in this thread to "Operation Cyclone" or maybe now, thanks to a Tom Hanks movie, better known as "Charlie Wilson's War" - it really should have been called "Gust Avrakotos's War" but I guess that wasn't as catchy.... That was a different era, when such hostilities were taken for granted from both sides. This is the type of move which sends us back to the Cold War era. Obviously, Trump would rather just pretend it didn't happen.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Yeah, but Trump has the "slacker's excuse"... Since Trump doesn't do his homework, he has plausible deniability. He can claim that he simply didn't read it, without getting much push back. If Obama had tried something like that, he would have been accused of weakness.
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I'm telling ya. DJT is not acting like a man who wants to be president.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I've seen several references in this thread to "Operation Cyclone" or maybe now, thanks to a Tom Hanks movie, better known as "Charlie Wilson's War" - it really should have been called "Gust Avrakotos's War" but I guess that wasn't as catchy.... That was a different era, when such hostilities were taken for granted from both sides. This is the type of move which sends us back to the Cold War era. Obviously, Trump would rather just pretend it didn't happen.
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That’s a great movie. Both Tom Hanks and Phillip Seymour Hoffman did a great job, but Hoffman’s Gust character made the movie.

I think I posted yesterday about how I wasn’t too surprised to see this sort of thing happen. That’s doesn’t mean I’m not infuriated at the situation, it just means that I think this isn’t uncommon. I understand that when you see this on paper and use words like bounty it seems to escalates things for a press and large portion of the country that is already frothing at the mouth for more dirt on Trump
When things like this are leaked and the POTUS (any POTUS) says he/she doesn’t know, I want to believe that they know, but maintain plausible deniability in the event that we respond and get caught up in a scandal like the one facing the Russians. I feel like this was leaked to hurt Trump and now there is a forced response that is basically the equivalent of tattle-tailing on the Russians by issuing sanctions or whatever that will have little impact . I don’t want a POTUS that’s gonna tell on the Russians, I want a POTUS that’s ok with allowing us to retaliate in a way that hurts them worse than they hurt us. If that means hurting Russian interest in certain areas of the world or crippling an intelligence network then so be it.

I honestly don’t think that much has changed over the course of time, at least within the intelligence services.

Edit: I had no idea about your post #379 when i mentioned plausible deniability in my post. I wasn’t touching on that at all.
 
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carlos86 said:
In the words of Wolf Blitzer “Standby for breaking news.”
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“American officials provided a written briefing in late February to President Trump laying out their conclusion that a Russian military intelligence unit offered and paid bounties to Taliban-linked militants to kill U.S. and coalition troops in Afghanistan, two officials familiar with the matter said.
The investigation into the suspected Russian covert operation to incentivize such killings has focused in part on an April 2019 car bombing that killed three Marines as one such potential attack, according to multiple officials familiar with the matter.”

“Moreover, a description of the intelligence assessment that the Russian unit had carried out the bounties plot was also seen as serious and solid enough to disseminate more broadly across the intelligence community in a May 4 article in the C.I.A.’s World Intelligence Review, a classified compendium commonly referred to as The Wire, two officials said.”

Trump’s PDB contained warnings about the Russian Bounty issue on February 27, 2020.
 
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Weezer said:
I don't necessarily disagree that Bill Clinton tried to work with both sides of the aisle, but he lost me when he couldn't control his own damn sexual urges while in the White House. And then lying about it. My biggest disappointments with Bill Clinton were mostly how he conducted himself personally, and the fact he's married to a horrible woman.

As for having to put party agenda first, it's the fact we have come to rely on political parties for nominations that I have a problem with. The country didn't originate with political parties, but they quickly formed, and came heavily into play after George Washington(who tried to warn the nation of the dangers political parties would bring)left office.
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Many of us will say personal life shouldn't be a deciding factor in a presidential vote. I like to think I don't care much about what a President does personally. However, it does matter. Bill was wrong and lied about it. He only apologized while looking down the barrel of impeachment. I look at it like this, would this president be interesting to have a beer with. All of them in my lifetime, Carter to Obama is a yes, not so much currently. I wouldn't trust too many of them with any of the females in my family.


" I am not a Federalist, because I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in any thing else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all. "
Thomas Jefferson.
This quote came to mind when you discussed political parties. I agree with T.J., unfortunately the electorate does not take this idea to heart.
 
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carlos86 said:
“American officials provided a written briefing in late February to President Trump laying out their conclusion that a Russian military intelligence unit offered and paid bounties to Taliban-linked militants to kill U.S. and coalition troops in Afghanistan, two officials familiar with the matter said.
The investigation into the suspected Russian covert operation to incentivize such killings has focused in part on an April 2019 car bombing that killed three Marines as one such potential attack, according to multiple officials familiar with the matter.”

“Moreover, a description of the intelligence assessment that the Russian unit had carried out the bounties plot was also seen as serious and solid enough to disseminate more broadly across the intelligence community in a May 4 article in the C.I.A.’s World Intelligence Review, a classified compendium commonly referred to as The Wire, two officials said.”

Trump’s PDB contained warnings about the Russian Bounty issue on February 27, 2020.
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In the words of Wolf Blitzer; "Stand by for Fake News and low TV ratings."
 
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Afghan War vet and former U.S. Marine Jim LaPorta off the top rope.

“Top officials in the White House were aware in early 2019 of classified intelligence indicating Russia was secretly offering bounties to the Taliban for the deaths of Americans, a full year earlier than has been previously reported, according to U.S. officials with direct knowledge of the intelligence.
The assessment was included in at least one of President Donald Trump’s written daily intelligence briefings at the time, according to the officials. Then-national security adviser John Bolton also told colleagues he briefed Trump on the intelligence assessment in March 2019.”
 
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Septic said:
They all suck, agreed. Though one side keeps acting like the phony bravado twitter tough guy routine actually makes him tough while pointing out his predecessor was a coward for following custom to a foreign leader by bowing.
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Well he was good at drawing lines in the sand too....don’t forget about that one....
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
That was due to national security concerns considering the democrats are anti American communists and would have leaked the strike.
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Unamerican post.

Start using some of that there intelligence you speak of.

I do agree that Trump should not be informed of important issues. Less for him to screw up. All his former and soon to be former staff agree with me.
 
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I guess I'm confused, because I was under the impression the gang of 8 was supposed to receive the same intel briefings as the POTUS. If this information was included in a written intelligence briefing to the POTUS, why would it not have been included in a briefing to the gang of 8? Are they lying about not getting it too? Lots of questions that need to be answered.
 
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luthervol said:
For the simple sake of consistency and predictability.............

I have maintained from day one of this catastrophe that Trump is a new low and one that should never be normalized.
Every politician, republican or democrat, lies somewhere on the good/bad continuum, and from my admittedly biased perspective, dems. tend to fall in a little more favorable position on that continuum.
What can never be true is that they are all equally bad or good.
The stance that Trump is awful, BUT he is no worse than............(fill in the blank) is what is insane to me.
Talk about lowering the bar.

The simple truth..............Trump is the worst and should never be normalized.
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This is simply your opinion and you’ve been having double secret anti-Trump protests at work and pissing your pants daily over him for nearly four years now. You’re an admitted socialist, voted for Obama twice and even admitted to voting for the no income tax, can’t balance her checkbook, jug headed, fat Larry Holmes looking Stacy Abrams. Brother you should join the circus as they have a shortage of clowns
 
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VFFL@THE BEACH said:
Unamerican post.

Start using some of that there intelligence you speak of.

I do agree that Trump should not be informed of important issues. Less for him to screw up. All his former and soon to be former staff agree with me.
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His campaign may start recommending it as well.
 
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Weezer said:
I guess I'm confused, because I was under the impression the gang of 8 was supposed to receive the same intel briefings as the POTUS. If this information was included in a written intelligence briefing to the POTUS, why would it not have been included in a briefing to the gang of 8? Are they lying about not getting it too? Lots of questions that need to be answered.
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The gang of 8 hasn’t been getting briefed on everything under Trump. And if they are it’s after the fact.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
This is simply your opinion and you’ve been having double secret anti-Trump protests at work and pissing your pants daily over him for nearly four years now. You’re an admitted socialist, voted for Obama twice and even admitted to voting for the no income tax, can’t balance her checkbook, jug headed, fat Larry Holmes looking Stacy Abrams. Brother you should join the circus as they have a shortage of clowns
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Whenever I read one of your posts, I just think Opryland "wardrobe" dude.
The bell ringers of Notre Dame, but done with flare.
 
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McDad said:
First, thanks for including multiple links. WSJ is behind a wall but Forbes allowed access to the article. I skimmed through the replies in this thread. SIAP.
Although I cannot prove it, my guess is what Russia is doing with bounties is what we did to them as well. 79 even mentioned the practice going back all the way to Vietnam. I doubt the policy will change much no matter who is president. Furthermore, even if DJT and Putin had a meeting and signed a treaty to discontinue the practice, I don't believe it would stop. I believe it would become more secretive though.
If we can repair relationships with Germany, Italy, and Japan, certainly we can do so with Russia. We do business with the Chinese. We do business with Muslim countries which have horrible cultures concerning women, children, gays, etc. We don't repair the relationship because Russia better serves American politicians as a bogey man. We need a stable enemy for the political class to better manipulate us through fear. Russia is that stable enemy even though their practices mimic our own and are less disgusting than other countries with which we have decent relationships.
Lastly, there is a foolproof way to prevent any of our soldiers dying via bounty or any other motivation; BRING THE SOLDIERS HOME.
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Daddio...... this post will have to be broken down and simplified by a factor of 12 in order for your target audience to understand. Look at See Spot Run for a standard of measurement
 
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Associated Press:

Former National Security Adviser, John Bolton, told multiple colleagues in 2019 that he had personally briefed Donald Trump on intelligence concerning Russian officials offering bounties to the Taliban for killing American troops.
 
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