Russia bounty on US troops

[BowlBrother85]

Knew about what? Unverified, non-actionable intel providing no basis to do anything with? That didn't even made to a threat assessment report? I quite imagine Trump doesn't concern himself with unicorns, either.

Trump was handed a decades low relationship with Russia. The last admin and Democrats, and Never Trumpers, have made it impossible to work with Russia even on things of mutual interest, such as Islamist fundies, as they did when warning us about the Tsarnaev brothers. Gee, who missed out on that?

Obama bent over, pulling the missle defense systems from Poland and CZR that were promised. He asked Putin to give him room so as to not impact his re-election bid in exchange. He blinked when Assad took a whiz on his pink line in the sand because Putin warned him off it. But, but...he really talked tough while Russia was meddling in U.S. elections right? Yeah, that "cut it out" comment chilled Putin to the bone, obviously. In fact, he again didn't want to piss off Putin for fear of some escalation in the meddling...WTH.

As an aside, the Russian meddling was insignificant, blown out of proportion by the left for purely political reasons, erupting into two baseless investigations for a manufactured conspiracy. The actual damage was done by Trump opponents using Russian propaganda.

Fact: since Reagan no president has taken a stronger stance in real, practical terms, than Trump. That he doesn't assuage your sensibilities by calling Putin a meanie is of no value or concern.

LOL. That is ridiculous and everyone knows it. We remember the press conference in Helsinki from July of 2018, when Trump sided with Putin's denial over the conclusions of the United States Intelligence Community that Russia was responsible for hacking the Democratic National Committee.

You are also making several presumptions here, as you typically do, in order to go out of your way to give Trump the benefit of the doubt. At this time, reports vary about whether or not U.S. troops were placed under additional risk, as a result of Russian bounties paid to the Taliban.

The Washington Post is reporting that Russian bounties offered to Taliban militants in Afghanistan to kill US or UK troops, are believed to have resulted in the deaths of multiple US troops. The Washington Post cited US intelligence gathered from military interrogations as part of this assessment.

 

[NCFisher]

"What-about-ism" is all you got on this one isn't it? The most likely scenario here is that Trump was briefed on the content of this intelligence concerning Russian bounties paid to the Taliban, and he is now lying about having been briefed, because he is trying to not only excuse his inaction, but also excuse why he continued to champion Russia's return to the G 7, in the wake of this intelligence.

Trump is pitifully weak when it comes to authoritarian rulers... especially so, in the case of Putin and Russia.

Hardly. What I do have is an idea about different briefings presidents receive and how they consume it. Now, thanks to me, you do, too. That's the purpose of the exercise.

AGAIN, this amounts to an unverified, intel rumor. You got lathered up because you assumed the worse without any factual basis. Stop swallowing every piece of red meat being tossed to you.

Oh, enough, already; Putin and Assad bent Obama over a barrel and had their way with him. Numerous times, including Obama asking him to back off pubic criticisms until after the election, whereupon he pulled promised missile defense systems from Poland and CZR. And tweeted or something while Russia meddled in the election. And then, to some degree, was involved in the faux Russia conspiracy that was based upon - drumroll! - Russian propaganda.

By comparison, Trump has been the Hulk in actually dealing with Russia.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Hardly. What I do have is an idea about different briefings presidents receive and how they consume it. Now, thanks to me, you do, too. That's the purpose of the exercise.

AGAIN, this amounts to an unverified, intel rumor. You got lathered up because you assumed the worse without any factual basis. Stop swallowing every piece of red meat being tossed to you.

Oh, enough, already; Putin and Assad bent Obama over a barrel and had their way with him. Numerous times, including Obama asking him to back off pubic criticisms until after the election, whereupon he pulled promised missile defense systems from Poland and CZR. And tweeted or something while Russia meddled in the election. And then, to some degree, was involved in the faux Russia conspiracy that was based upon - drumroll! - Russian propaganda.

By comparison, Trump has been the Hulk in actually dealing with Russia.

Trump has been "Putin's Patsy" from day one. We can all see that. You are bull $hitting in the breeze and floating around in it.

 

[NCFisher]

LOL. That is ridiculous and everyone knows it. We remember the press conference in Helsinki from July of 2018, when Trump sided with Putin's denial over the conclusions of the United States Intelligence Community that Russia was responsible for hacking the Democratic National Committee.

You are also making several presumptions here, as you typically do, in order to go out of your way to give Trump the benefit of the doubt. At this time, reports vary about whether or not U.S. troops were placed under additional risk, as a result of Russian bounties paid to the Taliban.

The Washington Post is reporting that Russian bounties offered to Taliban militants in Afghanistan to kill US or UK troops, are believed to have resulted in the deaths of multiple US troops. The Washington Post cited US intelligence gathered from military interrogations as part of this assessment.

Media can report anything they wish - 3.5 years of Russian conspiracy, for example - but it doesn't transform unverified allegation into verified, actionable intel, does it?

I don't have to give him benefit of the doubt when our intel is saying "yeah, being non-credible intel, it doesn't rise to the level of a formal threat assessment advisory, nor warrant mention in face-face briefings."

 

[BowlBrother85]

Media can report anything they wish - 3.5 years of Russian conspiracy, for example - but it doesn't transform unverified allegation into verified, actionable intel, does it?

I don't have to give him benefit of the doubt when our intel is saying "yeah, being non-credible intel, it doesn't rise to the level of a formal threat assessment advisory, nor warrant mention in face-face briefings."

Once again, we don't know what the intel said, reports vary. The Washington Post is reporting something which would be very damaging to the President if it's proven to be true. The Post is reporting that the intelligence is credible, and that it was obtained through military interrogations and that these bounties did lead to the deaths of U.S. troops. They are also reporting that Trump was briefed on this intelligence. We will see where it goes from here.

 

[NCFisher]

Trump has been "Putin's Patsy" from day one. We can all see that. You are bull $hitting in the breeze and floating around in it.

I give you the actions of a president who only asked for lube to ease his rape, with the actions of a president who actually enforced Obama's little pink line, gave Poland and CZR the missile defense Obama pulled out from under them, sent lethal weaponry to Ukraine after they invaded under Obama's stern, watchful eye, and who took more punitive measures against Russia for meddling than Obama did. Another event that occurred under Obama's care.

It seems Trump has spent an inordinate amount of time making good on Obama's false promises, and ACTUALLY being tough on Russia.

To be fair, O did promise Putin "flexibility" after his election and damn sure made good on that. He was a regular Promise Keeper when it came to Putin.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I give you the actions of a president who only asked for lube to ease his rape, with the actions of a president who actually enforced Obama's little pink line, gave Poland and CZR the missile defense Obama pulled out from under them, sent lethal weaponry to Ukraine after they invaded under Obama's stern, watchful eye, and who took more punitive measures against Russia for meddling than Obama did. Another event that occurred under Obama's care.

It seems Trump has spent an inordinate amount of time making good on Obama's false promises, and ACTUALLY being tough on Russia.

To be fair, O did promise Putin "flexibility" after his election and damn sure made good on that. He was a regular Promise Keeper when it came to Putin.

In August of 2017, Trump reluctantly signed into law a bill that levied new sanctions against Russia and restricted his ability to ease sanctions against Russia that were already in place. That's right. The Republican Congress actually felt it necessary to install veto power to block Trump from removing Russian sanctions. You are in complete denial. That is the only place a Trump supporter can possibly be and think the way you do.

 

[Mick]

We know that (bold). As Intel reported to the Trump admin today, the only thing that is known is that it is not verified, it is unsubstantiated, and that is why they didn't report it to the executive security team.

Good grief; how many Russia memes can be populated before the left begins to exercise even a modicum of caution? It's irresponsible, and corrupt.

You just described the Trump Administration. Well done.

 

[Mick]

I give you the actions of a president who only asked for lube to ease his rape, with the actions of a president who actually enforced Obama's little pink line, gave Poland and CZR the missile defense Obama pulled out from under them, sent lethal weaponry to Ukraine after they invaded under Obama's stern, watchful eye, and who took more punitive measures against Russia for meddling than Obama did. Another event that occurred under Obama's care.

It seems Trump has spent an inordinate amount of time making good on Obama's false promises, and ACTUALLY being tough on Russia.

To be fair, O did promise Putin "flexibility" after his election and damn sure made good on that. He was a regular Promise Keeper when it came to Putin.

You're just a right wing talking point after another. But Obama said he would be more "flexible". Oh, the humanity.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Unamerican post.

Start using some of that there intelligence you speak of.

I do agree that Trump should not be informed of important issues. Less for him to screw up. All his former and soon to be former staff agree with me.

The truth hurts.

 

[FLVOL_79]

The same people who for years squawked about Russia collusion and of course were completely wrong are now totally in to this

Again what these dolts keep forgetting, or just don't know, is that 8 people in congress get the same brief as the President, and half those members are sworn enemies of the President and America.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

Again what these dolts keep forgetting, or just don't know, is that 8 people in congress get the same brief as the President, and half those members are sworn enemies of the President and America.

So you're saying that everyone receives the same information that donald does? he only has the authority to act. Because this just came out, i am assuming that the 8 members that you are speaking of did not receive this briefing. Certain things are highly sensitive. Ignorance is always his defense and the defense of his supporters. He's so stupid he didn't know better, but they voted for him....lol

 

[carlos86]

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

ok, he's too inept to do his job. Most people get fired for being inept.

 

[FLVOL_79]

So you're saying that everyone receives the same information that donald does? he only has the authority to act. Because this just came out, i am assuming that the 8 members that you are speaking of did not receive this briefing. Certain things are highly sensitive. Ignorance is always his defense and the defense of his supporters. He's so stupid he didn't know better, but they voted for him....lol

I didn't say everyone. You did. Talk about your all time backfires. Careful throwing dumb stones from ignorant glass houses...

8 members of congress on the two intelligence committees all receive the same briefings the President gets. The only time they would not is if its ordered by the President not to brief them. So if it was briefed to Trump it was briefed to them unless he said to do otherwise. One of the things that seems to get lost in the partisanship of this bickering is that the intelligence was not "actionable". Hell, its still being investigated to see if it holds any merit. And he has the only authority to act? LOL. Do you think the President signs off on every military mission? Every CIA/FBI/NSA/DIA/NGIA/NRO/DHS/DOS/DOE/DEA/DOtT/DOD? Ha. To have the mind of a child again..

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

I didn't say everyone. You did. Talk about your all time backfires. Careful throwing dumb stones from ignorant glass houses...

8 members of congress on the two intelligence committees all receive the same briefings the President gets. The only time they would not is if its ordered by the President not to brief them. So if it was briefed to Trump it was briefed to them unless he said to do otherwise. One of the things that seems to get lost in the partisanship of this bickering is that the intelligence was not "actionable". Hell, its still being investigated to see if it holds any merit. And he has the only authority to act? LOL. Do you think the President signs off on every military mission? Every CIA/FBI/NSA/DIA/NGIA/NRO/DHS/DOS/DOE/DEA/DOtT/DOD? Ha. To have the mind of a child again..

you must have strong arms for all the water you carry for donald. So how did you get conned so easily? Was it the hate?

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

ok, he's too inept to do his job. Most people get fired for being inept.

That’s the best part. Even if Trump didn’t know anything at all about it, it just further proves his incompetence and inability to perform the job.

 

[NCFisher]

Once again, we don't know what the intel said, reports vary. The Washington Post is reporting something which would be very damaging to the President if it's proven to be true. The Post is reporting that the intelligence is credible, and that it was obtained through military interrogations and that these bounties did lead to the deaths of U.S. troops. They are also reporting that Trump was briefed on this intelligence. We will see where it goes from here.

Again, according to whom? That's just it; it's not 'intelligence' unless verified; it hasn't been. Unless the entire admin whose purview encompasses such 'intel' is shown to be lying re: the unverified and disputed nature of the 'intel', there's nothing here. DOA.

 

[NCFisher]

You just described the Trump Administration. Well done.

You've a gift for insightful and well-considered contributions, Mick.

 

[Ashevolle]

Still glad it's not Hillary. That's all I need to sleep well at night. It looks like the Rs will keep the senate, and will gain seats in the House. Biden is an old school D who is used to making deals and who believes in law and order. I'll vote for Trump but don't plan to leave the country if Biden wins.

I think your weather vein is broken.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

Again, according to whom? That's just it; it's not 'intelligence' unless verified; it hasn't been. Unless the entire admin whose purview encompasses such 'intel' is shown to be lying re: the unverified and disputed nature of the 'intel', there's nothing here. DOA.

It's ok....you've been conned. Most people stop when they realized they've been conned.....nope....not you. You keep digging. How were you so easily conned? Was it the hate?

 

[NCFisher]

You're just a right wing talking point after another. But Obama said he would be more "flexible". Oh, the humanity.

Well, no; it isn't what he said but what he actually did numerous times in deference to Putin.

Odd how my "right wing talking points" consistently align with fact.
It must be frustrating.

 

[Ashevolle]

I didn't say everyone. You did. Talk about your all time backfires. Careful throwing dumb stones from ignorant glass houses...

8 members of congress on the two intelligence committees all receive the same briefings the President gets. The only time they would not is if its ordered by the President not to brief them. So if it was briefed to Trump it was briefed to them unless he said to do otherwise. One of the things that seems to get lost in the partisanship of this bickering is that the intelligence was not "actionable". Hell, its still being investigated to see if it holds any merit. And he has the only authority to act? LOL. Do you think the President signs off on every military mission? Every CIA/FBI/NSA/DIA/NGIA/NRO/DHS/DOS/DOE/DEA/DOtT/DOD? Ha. To have the mind of a child again..

Yet he blindly pushed for Russia's admission to the G7 despite such reports that were troubling to say the least. So where do his loyalties lie?

 

[golfballs]

Pentagon: 'No corroborating evidence' yet to validate troop bounty allegations

 

[NCFisher]

It's ok....you've been conned. Most people stop when they realized they've been conned.....nope....not you. You keep digging. How were you so easily conned? Was it the hate?

I'll admit to being "conned" when you produce evidence the entire admin is lying. That the Russian bounty is proven fact rather than unverified, disputed, non-actionable 'intel'.

Ooops....looks like the Pentagon has just verified the bounty as unverified chatter. LMAO.

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