Russia bounty on US troops

There was financial data uncovered which was in support of the belief that Russia paid bounties to the Taliban to kill American soldiers. Per The New York Times, Trump did not even ask Putin about this and there isn't currently an investigation into these allegations. The biggest problem that I have with this, is that Trump doesn't even want it investigated. He doesn't want to know if it's true or not... because he doesn't care. That really is the most troubling aspect of this. Why doesn't Trump care? Why does Trump bristle at any reports having anything at all to do with Russian aggression? It is strange.
What sort of financial data. How was this tracked and verified? I'm not trying to give you hell. I'm just somewhat skeptical of our media. I really don't see what Russia has to gain by killing a relatively small amount of U.S troops. It doesn't really make a strategic difference from the Russian perspective. I don't doubt Putin being evil I just somewhat doubt him being dumb enough to sanction this
 
What sort of financial data. How was this tracked and verified? I'm not trying to give you hell. I'm just somewhat skeptical of our media. I really don't see what Russia has to gain by killing a relatively small amount of U.S troops. It doesn't really make a strategic difference from the Russian perspective. I don't doubt Putin being evil I just somewhat doubt him being dumb enough to sanction this
This is an excerpt from The New York Times on June 30th:

American officials intercepted electronic data showing large financial transfers from a bank account controlled by Russia's military intelligence agency to a Taliban-linked account, evidence that supported their conclusion that Russia covertly offered bounties for killing U.S. and coalition troops in Afghanistan, according to three officials familiar with the intelligence.

Though the United States has accused Russia of providing general support to the Taliban before, analysts concluded from other intelligence that the transfers were most likely part of a bounty program that detainees described during interrogations.

Investigators also identified by name numerous Afghans in a network linked to the suspected Russian operation, the officials said - including, two of them added, a man believed to have served as an intermediary for distributing some of the funds and who is now thought to be in Russia.

The intercepts bolstered the findings gleaned from the interrogations, helping reduce an earlier disagreement among intelligence analysts and agencies over the reliability of the detainees. The disclosures further undercut White House officials' claim that the intelligence was too uncertain to brief President Trump. In fact, the information was provided to him in his daily written brief in late February, two officials said.
 
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Manafort was an unregistered agent for Ukraine, not Putin or Russia.

Yes, but he ran the campaign for Putin's surrogate in the Ukraine, and owed a titanic sum of money to his Russian connected associates.

That fact would lend some plausibility that Manafort didn't put Trump in the loop, but his transmitting of the GOP polling data, while changing the campaign's platform to be unprecedented pro-Russian, seems a little more than coincidental.

You don't have to sip my Kool-aid, but the point comes back around to Russian disinformation on social media, which you seemed to dismiss as fiction, and it isn't.
 
Yes, but he ran the campaign for Putin's surrogate in the Ukraine, and owed a titanic sum of money to his Russian connected associates.

That fact would lend some plausibility that Manafort didn't put Trump in the loop, but his transmitting of the GOP polling data, while changing the campaign's platform to be unprecedented pro-Russian, seems a little more than coincidental.

You don't have to sip my Kool-aid, but the point comes back around to Russian disinformation on social media, which you seemed to dismiss as fiction, and it isn't.

Here is what Manafort's trial judge said:

The judge demurred, pointedly observing that Manafort was “not before this court for anything having to do with collusion with the Russian government to influence [the 2016] election.”

Paul Manafort Worked for Ukraine, Not Russia | National Review

As far as disinformation campaign. Not saying it did not happen, but if it had any impact on the election we are in worse shape than I thought
 
This is an excerpt from The New York Times on June 30th:

American officials intercepted electronic data showing large financial transfers from a bank account controlled by Russia's military intelligence agency to a Taliban-linked account, evidence that supported their conclusion that Russia covertly offered bounties for killing U.S. and coalition troops in Afghanistan, according to three officials familiar with the intelligence.

Though the United States has accused Russia of providing general support to the Taliban before, analysts concluded from other intelligence that the transfers were most likely part of a bounty program that detainees described during interrogations.

Investigators also identified by name numerous Afghans in a network linked to the suspected Russian operation, the officials said - including, two of them added, a man believed to have served as an intermediary for distributing some of the funds and who is now thought to be in Russia.

The intercepts bolstered the findings gleaned from the interrogations, helping reduce an earlier disagreement among intelligence analysts and agencies over the reliability of the detainees. The disclosures further undercut White House officials' claim that the intelligence was too uncertain to brief President Trump. In fact, the information was provided to him in his daily written brief in late February, two officials said.
Well that's rather thought provoking. I'm curious to know what bank the alleged Taliban account was operating out of. What do you think the Russians rationale is for this?
 
Yes, but he ran the campaign for Putin's surrogate in the Ukraine, and owed a titanic sum of money to his Russian connected associates.

That fact would lend some plausibility that Manafort didn't put Trump in the loop, but his transmitting of the GOP polling data, while changing the campaign's platform to be unprecedented pro-Russian, seems a little more than coincidental.

You don't have to sip my Kool-aid, but the point comes back around to Russian disinformation on social media, which you seemed to dismiss as fiction, and it isn't.

Oh well. We will just disagree. Gotta run. Have good evening.
 
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Here is what Manafort's trial judge said:

The judge demurred, pointedly observing that Manafort was “not before this court for anything having to do with collusion with the Russian government to influence [the 2016] election.”

Paul Manafort Worked for Ukraine, Not Russia | National Review

As far as disinformation campaign. Not saying it did not happen, but if it had any impact on the election we are in worse shape than I thought

Manafort was charged with what could be proven.

The polling data would have been used to locally target voters on Facebook with ads and Group invites centered around propaganda, posing as concerned people in the greater region/state. Think grandma on Facebook getting invitations to a group with an appealing benign name, or your buddy getting a friend invite from a hot chic. Innocent seeming but both a piece of a larger campaign.

That's the gist, but now it's harder to do on Facebook, so Twitter is the field of operation.
 
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There was enough information gathered through intelligence reports for this to be investigated, but Trump doesn't even want that to happen. If it involves Russia, Trump simply doesn't want to hear about it. Trump doesn't want it proven, or disproved. Trump didn't even ask Putin about it on a recent phone call. They (allegedly) only discussed the Coronavirus. Trump even called this intelligence "fake news" again today... as if the media was responsible for this story. The media wasn't responsible for this becoming a story, and it wasn't fake. There were people within the intelligence community who were leaking this intelligence to The New York Times, and they thought it was newsworthy. That doesn't meet any definition of "fake news". It's real, Trump just doesn't want to talk about anything having to do with Russia, if it's something bad. There are three options: 1) Trump is a weak and feckless coward when it comes to Russia. 2) Trump is compromised when it comes to Russia. 3) Trump wants something from Russia financially - a Trump Tower deal in Moscow, perhaps? ... after he has left office. Take your pick. Trump loves Russia.

I don’t know much about political agendas so forgive me here , if there’s evidence that says this happened or happened shouldnt there be an investigation into it ..say by some house intelligence committee? I don’t know who gets to decide to start those do you ? 😊
 
I don’t know much about political agendas so forgive me here , if there’s evidence that says this happened or happened shouldnt there be an investigation into it ..say by some house intelligence committee? I don’t know who gets to decide to start those do you ? 😊
Trump also told Jonathan Swan of Axios, that this intelligence concerning Russian bounties paid to the Taliban "never reached my desk". He knows that is a lie. This intelligence was contained in one of his daily briefings in late February and this has been brought to his attention before. Trump has even acknowledged it. It is bizarre, the lies that Trump will tell, in order to keep from having to engage Putin, on Russian misconduct. Fiona Smith, testified last October that more than anything else, Vladimir Putin wants a weak American President... he has one.
 
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There was enough information gathered through intelligence reports for this to be investigated, but Trump doesn't even want that to happen. If it involves Russia, Trump simply doesn't want to hear about it. Trump doesn't want it proven, or disproved. Trump didn't even ask Putin about it on a recent phone call. They (allegedly) only discussed the Coronavirus. Trump even called this intelligence "fake news" again today... as if the media was responsible for this story. The media wasn't responsible for this becoming a story, and it wasn't fake. There were people within the intelligence community who were leaking this intelligence to The New York Times, and they thought it was newsworthy. That doesn't meet any definition of "fake news". It's real, Trump just doesn't want to talk about anything having to do with Russia, if it's something bad. There are three options: 1) Trump is a weak and feckless coward when it comes to Russia. 2) Trump is compromised when it comes to Russia. 3) Trump wants something from Russia financially - a Trump Tower deal in Moscow, perhaps? ... after he has left office. Take your pick. Trump loves Russia.

Look I hate Trump but there’s also about 1,000 other options. Diplomacy doesn’t take place in the public eye. You have every reason to be skeptical. Pelosi knows what Trump knows. She’s yet to do anything regarding investigations.
 
Trump also told Jonathan Swan of Axios, that this intelligence concerning Russian bounties paid to the Taliban "never reached my desk". He knows that is a lie. This intelligence was contained in one of his daily briefings in late February and this has been brought to his attention before. Trump has even acknowledged it. It is bizarre, the lies that Trump will tell, in order to keep from having to engage Putin, on Russian misconduct. Fiona Smith, testified last October that more than anything else, Vladimir Putin wants a weak American President... he has one.
I will agree he has a weak POTUS. And before the Trumpers attack ask yourself one question. Why do always create images of him looking buff and tough? Is it latent homosexuality you have with him?
 
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There was financial data uncovered which was in support of the belief that Russia paid bounties to the Taliban to kill American soldiers. Per The New York Times, Trump did not even ask Putin about this and there isn't currently an investigation into these allegations. The biggest problem that I have with this, is that Trump doesn't even want it investigated. He doesn't want to know if it's true or not... because he doesn't care. That really is the most troubling aspect of this. Why doesn't Trump care? Why does Trump bristle at any reports having anything at all to do with Russian aggression? It is strange.
Are you talking about Trump not telling Putin, or are you talking about the intel on the bounties? Because those were/are being investigated...literally everyone reported on that. The intel was and still is unsubstantiated. Trump doesn't get to decide if this gets investigated or not. Hell, those decisions are so far down the totem pole he wouldn't even know about it.

You should be more concerned about the US lives lost after Hussein Obama had someone else order the killing of Osama in 2011 and why, 9 years later, we are still in Afghanistan..
 
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You obviously don't understand the difference between intel and proof. Proof is not required for our military. To say the Russians (known backers of terrorism) didn't offer the bounties is down right idiotic. Why do you have such a hard time believing this?
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You obviously don't understand the difference between intel and proof. Proof is not required for our military. To say the Russians (known backers of terrorism) didn't offer the bounties is down right idiotic. Why do you have such a hard time believing this?
Lmao. I guess you’re cool that we invaded Iraq based on fake intel? Amazing how Dems have turned into Bush “literally Hitler” era war hawks because orange man bad
 
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Lmao. I guess you’re cool that we invaded Iraq based on fake intel? Amazing how Dems have turned into Bush “literally Hitler” era war hawks because orange man bad

umm yeah, I'm gonna go out on a limb and hope you can understand that starting a war and having the balls to stand up to Putin makes your analogy kinda shaky
 
You obviously don't understand the difference between intel and proof. Proof is not required for our military. To say the Russians (known backers of terrorism) didn't offer the bounties is down right idiotic. Why do you have such a hard time believing this?

You obviously aren't a top military commander...

"Trump said he did not raise the issue of Russian payments to the Taliban in his most recent meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Critics have said he should have. Senior military officials say they don't believe the intelligence is strong enough to act on."

Echoing comments in July by Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, McKenzie said that if he could establish that the Russians were offering payments to kill Americans, he would push to forcefully respond. But the intelligence is far from conclusive, he said.

So Trump is following the advice of the military commanders; not critics
 
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Try to keep up Hog - GolfBall's analogy was that Democrats were angry about starting a war based on a lack of proof of wmd's but want Trump to quit being Putin's lil bitch based on a lack of certifiable
proof that there were bounties,,, essentially equating war to not being a huge puss.

Focus, kid,,, although I stopped expecting much outta you after you argued Indiana was a swing state...
 

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