Russia brings the fight to ISIS in Syria!!!

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volprof said:
Look, I don't doubt the desire to get Gulf States' oil up to Turkey and beyond to Europe was a factor that exacerbated the Syrian conflict, giving more impetus for the Gulf States, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and possibly even the US to arm and/or support the Syrian opposition.

That was not, however, the cause. The causes of the war are numerous, and they include a history of disenfranchisement, geographical insecurities, domestic economics, etc. In the case of the Syrian Civil War, the spark that set it all off was the urban strife created by the nation's extended drought.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/s...to-drought-caused-by-climate-change.html?_r=0

And I don't care about the climate change aspect of it (whether it was or wasn't; apparently there's an online conservative element denying this was a factor simply because they disagree that climate change may be real); I'm just talking about the drought itself, not the scientific implications of it.

Oil and gas are incredibly powerful cards, but you start having people's water and (via extension) food sources depleted, you've got a big freaking problem and in a hurry.

To say that a conflict has long and as deadly as Syria's is merely the result of a damn pipeline is not only intellectually bankrupt, it also does a disservice to Syrians, basically constructing them as a bunch of mindless buffoons who don't know their rectums from their mouths.
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the other part of it is the change in the regime. Hafez's good ole boys were from the countryside and had connections to the people, and generally made sure the people were looked out for. Bashar's boys are from the elite in the cities and Bashar was taking away power from those who gained it with their blood. So there was also a complete philosophy flip between regimes even though the last name stayed the same. Its a good reason about half the military separated to fight Assad (a factor Ras and Pacer don't look at to the success of the rebels)
 
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Pacer92 said:
Being that a 60 nation coalition couldn't rid ISIS in 14 mos., I suppose you have to take matters into your own hands at times.

And no, ours isn't the only dirty laundry there, but we are there illegally. We accuse Assad of atrocities and war crimes, however..

Bombing in another sovereign country without a UN mandate or without the leader of sovereign country's permission, is a war crime. It probably not going to happen, but since Russia is the only one there legally, they should set up a no fly zone over Syria.

It's going to be very interesting when these 50 SOF are on the ground. We obviously aren't going to leave until Assad is gone, agree?! I just feel this is a set up waiting to happen...
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again if Russia being in Syria gets us out of it, I consider that a win for the US. or at least it betters our situation over there. I want nothing to do with that mess.
 
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LouderVol said:
again if Russia being in Syria gets us out of it, I consider that a win for the US. or at least it betters our situation over there. I want nothing to do with that mess.
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I don't think it will and that's the problem. It's past time we let them fight this and keep our kids out of this senseless crap..

I'm sensing a false flag type thing involving russian or Syrian bombs getting us deeper involved. Jmo
 
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LouderVol said:
the other part of it is the change in the regime. Hafez's good ole boys were from the countryside and had connections to the people, and generally made sure the people were looked out for. Bashar's boys are from the elite in the cities and Bashar was taking away power from those who gained it with their blood. So there was also a complete philosophy flip between regimes even though the last name stayed the same. Its a good reason about half the military separated to fight Assad (a factor Ras and Pacer don't look at to the success of the rebels)
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So the pampered, privileged spoon-fed golden boy ain't a chip off the ole' block, huh?

I hadn't even considered the FSA break-away from the government in my post above. The notion that half his government forces would break away over a damn Qatari pipeline is so naive it warrants almost no consideration at all, other than just to laugh at it.
 
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Pacer92 said:
I don't think it will and that's the problem. It's past time we let them fight this and keep our kids out of this senseless crap..

I'm sensing a false flag type thing involving russian or Syrian bombs getting us deeper involved. Jmo
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false flag or not, its going to happen. or vise versa. can't rule out the other side doing it too. and again at some point it will happen. you play the million to one odds enough times it is going to happen.
 
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volprof said:
Look, I don't doubt the desire to get Gulf States' oil up to Turkey and beyond to Europe was a factor that exacerbated the Syrian conflict, giving more impetus for the Gulf States, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and possibly even the US to arm and/or support the Syrian opposition.

That was not, however, the cause. The causes of the war are numerous, and they include a history of disenfranchisement, geographical insecurities, domestic economics, etc. In the case of the Syrian Civil War, the spark that set it all off was the urban strife created by the nation's extended drought.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/s...to-drought-caused-by-climate-change.html?_r=0

And I don't care about the climate change aspect of it (whether it was or wasn't; apparently there's an online conservative element denying this was a factor simply because they disagree that climate change may be real); I'm just talking about the drought itself, not the scientific implications of it.

Oil and gas are incredibly powerful cards, but you start having people's water and (via extension) food sources depleted, you've got a big freaking problem and in a hurry.

To say that a conflict has long and as deadly as Syria's is merely the result of a damn pipeline is not only intellectually bankrupt, it also does a disservice to Syrians, basically constructing them as a bunch of mindless buffoons who don't know their rectums from their mouths.
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The only buffoonery is you thinking these ME missions are humanitarian in nature. The US govt could give a **** about lives or oppressed people in Syria, iraq or anywhere in that region.

The humanitarian narrative that you push is only a factor because the US govt and it's cronies made it one. Are you that simple to think that regime changes aren't about others profiting financially? Keep fanning the dying flames of evil Assad and him murdering his own people without conscience. There was dissent with Assad, I will admit, just like in most nations. Although he is responsible in ways during his crackdown, the US has been meddling and pushing for regime change for over a decade. And then there's the outright lies of him I using chemical weapons that was proven by UN inspectors themselves.

Why would change benefit us? First, it isolates Iran and Russia both politically and economically. Second, it constricts the Russian gas and oil market. To think any of these wars are about anything other than resources is just being in denial.

Migrant Crisis & Syria War Fueled By Competing Gas Pipelines
 
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Pacer92 said:
The only buffoonery is you thinking these ME missions are humanitarian in nature. The US govt could give a **** about lives or oppressed people in Syria, iraq or anywhere in that region.

The humanitarian narrative that you push is only a factor because the US govt and it's cronies made it one. Are you that simple to think that regime changes aren't about others profiting financially? Keep fanning the dying flames of evil Assad and him murdering his own people without conscience. There was dissent with Assad, I will admit, just like in most nations. Although he is responsible in ways during his crackdown, the US has been meddling and pushing for regime change for over a decade. And then there's the outright lies of him I using chemical weapons that was proven by UN inspectors themselves.

Why would change benefit us? First, it isolates Iran and Russia both politically and economically. Second, it constricts the Russian gas and oil market. To think any of these wars are about anything other than resources is just being in denial.

Migrant Crisis & Syria War Fueled By Competing Gas Pipelines
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volprof said:
Look, I don't doubt the desire to get Gulf States' oil up to Turkey and beyond to Europe was a factor that exacerbated the Syrian conflict, giving more impetus for the Gulf States, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and possibly even the US to arm and/or support the Syrian opposition.

That was not, however, the cause. The causes of the war are numerous, and they include a history of disenfranchisement, geographical insecurities, domestic economics, etc. In the case of the Syrian Civil War, the spark that set it all off was the urban strife created by the nation's extended drought.
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Pacer92 said:
The only buffoonery is you thinking these ME missions are humanitarian in nature. The US govt could give a **** about lives or oppressed people in Syria, iraq or anywhere in that region.

The humanitarian narrative that you push is only a factor because the US govt and it's cronies made it one. Are you that simple to think that regime changes aren't about others profiting financially? Keep fanning the dying flames of evil Assad and him murdering his own people without conscience. There was dissent with Assad, I will admit, just like in most nations. Although he is responsible in ways during his crackdown, the US has been meddling and pushing for regime change for over a decade. And then there's the outright lies of him I using chemical weapons that was proven by UN inspectors themselves.

Why would change benefit us? First, it isolates Iran and Russia both politically and economically. Second, it constricts the Russian gas and oil market. To think any of these wars are about anything other than resources is just being in denial.

Migrant Crisis & Syria War Fueled By Competing Gas Pipelines
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Whenever you post, it's like God hates people.

It's like you read absolutely nothing other posters write on here and just click "respond" at the first appearance of a word you disagree with. It's like you have a condition of selective amnesia or something akin to it.

You might need to get it checked out.
 
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volprof said:
Whenever you post, it's like God hates people.

It's like you read absolutely nothing other posters write on here and just click "respond" at the first appearance of a word you disagree with. It's like you have a condition of selective amnesia or something akin to it.

You might need to get it checked out.
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With your demeaning, degrading bill ****, don't expect better.

You reap what you sew...
 
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Pacer92 said:
With your demeaning, degrading bill ****, don't expect better.

You reap what you sew...
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See, you still don't quite "get" me, do you?

You should know by now that I only degrade posters who either represent very harmful/hateful viewpoints (say, like your friend, Ras) or those who consistently misrepresent the viewpoints of others on the board (say, like you).
 
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volprof said:
See, you still don't quite "get" me, do you?

You should know by now that I only degrade posters who either represent very harmful/hateful viewpoints (say, like your friend, Ras) or those who consistently misrepresent the viewpoints of others on the board (say, like you).
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I represent myself....no other. What you don't get is that Ras and myself care for this country and the young lives that are lost in keeping global hegonomy at the forefront.

I don't mind disagreement, but the 8th grade spunk of belittling opposing views is beyond old. You spout your hatred for absolutist, while doing the same yourself. A hypocrit calling out others is laughable, yet sad...
 
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Pacer92 said:
I represent myself....no other. What you don't get is that Ras and myself care for this country and the young lives that are lost in keeping global hegonomy at the forefront.

I don't mind disagreement, but the 8th grade spunk of belittling opposing views is beyond old. You spout your hatred for absolutist, while doing the same yourself. A hypocrit calling out others is laughable, yet sad...
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You said you love your country after some others, including myself, questioned it, and so I stopped saying that, although you do still bash American foreign policy and America's role in the world at the expense of other poor behavior worldwide an awful lot. But that's fine; it is your prerogative, and I sometimes agree with you. A lot of my hassling you is mostly tongue-in-cheek, a cheap joke at your expense.

That being said, please stop constantly misrepresenting my position and that of others you disagree with. I've said time and time again that I'm not an idealist. I'm neither a humanitarian, who thinks America does nothing but (and should do nothing but) great humanitarian deeds, nor am I a neoliberal internationalist. I'm a realist, who knows that nations only do things that benefit them, which is not necessarily moral nor necessarily immoral. It's a pragmatic amorality. As Michael Corleone would say, "It's strictly business." And while I do think the liberal international order established by the US is fundamentally net-positive relative to the previous paradigms this world has witnessed or to any prospective alternatives we may encounter, that does not mean I'm an unabated cheerleader for this nation's unrestrained involvement in the world or an unabashed, shameless idealist when it comes to what should be the proper role of this nation globally.

You keep misrepresenting my position, despite me, like I'm Dick Cheney, when I'm the only one on the board who has openly advocated for his trial and execution at the Hague. Others may agree with me, but I'm the only one who's actually said it. I'm the only one risking the NSA or the CIA coming to have a little chat with me one day. So don't continue to lump me in with people like Dick "Penguin" Cheney.
 
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Syrian government sources claiming that the Syrian army has broken the two year long ISIS siege of the Aleppo airbase.

If true, this is the first key regime victory since the Russian air campaign began in late September. We'll wait to see if the offensive mounts any other strategic victories.

Strategic victories aside, at the end of the day, this is kind of like watching Hitler take on Stalin. There are no real winners here.
 
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volprof said:
Syrian government sources claiming that the Syrian army has broken the two year long ISIS siege of the Aleppo airbase.

If true, this is the first key regime victory since the Russian air campaign began in late September. We'll wait to see if the offensive mounts any other strategic victories.

Strategic victories aside, at the end of the day, this is kind of like watching Hitler take on Stalin. There are no real winners here.
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I was wrong in calling you a commie, I should have called you clueless.
 
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johndoevol said:
I was wrong in calling you a commie, I should have called you clueless.
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I take it you must be another Putin/Assad cheerleader.

Hey, by the way, johndoe, did they ever figure out who was behind the 1999 Moscow apartment bombings?
 
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volprof said:
I take it you must be another Putin/Assad cheerleader.

Hey, by the way, johndoe, did they ever figure out who was behind the 1999 Moscow apartment bombings?
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IIRC, he just believes that literally anything that comes from our government is a lie. I don't remember he posting any pro-Putin stuff when he shows up. again IIRC he is a truther.
 
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Putin vows payback after Kremlin confirms bomb downed Russian plane over Egypt - Yahoo News

So let's get facts straight, shall we? US intelligence has called the following well before Russia eventually confirmed. In the meantime, the Kremlin accused the US of its typical conspiracy nonsense, denying and deflecting, until it finally confirmed what we had been told by the US all along.

1. Russian troop takeover of Crimea
2. Russian forces in Syria
3. Russian Federation athletics doping scandal
4. Terror-related downing of Russian metrojet in the Sinai

Now, if Russia has made what essentially amounts to four confirmations of its own lying, it stands to reason that Putin's Kremlin has been lying to us about more things. Let's see here, what other things could they possibly be lying to us about that US intelligence has claimed?

1. Russian cruise missiles killing a bunch of farmers' sheep in Iran, wreaking havoc on the globally acclaimed Iranian sheep market
2. Russia not targeting ISIS until the last week or two, since the US (along with ISIS itself) confirmed ISIS downed a Russian jet-liner
3. Russian troops actually behind the pseudo-war in eastern Ukraine
4. A Russian-supplied (and possibly even Russian armed forces-manned) BUK system that downed MH17
5. A legitimate domestic revolution in Ukraine, rather than a foreign-funded coup
6. Nuclear arming activation sequence triggered by Russian TU-95s off British coast this past year
7. Etc., because the list is endless

Hmm. That US intelligence, it ain't so bad as it turns out. And it appears that American media has largely been reporting the facts.

Or is Russia finally confirming much of these claims just another vast Western conspiracy against it?
 
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Not sure how credible but,

BREAKING!! Russian Nuclear Units On The Move, Non-Essential Civilians Told To Leave, Putin’s Ready To Nuke ISIS!! | USA Politics Today


In response to the purported downing of a Russian civilian airliner in the Sinai in Egypt, the Kremlin is now poised for a nuclear strike on sites controlled by the Islamic State. Citing its right to protect its people and interests in Russia and abroad, Intelligence officials have anonymously reported that Russia is moving its tactical nuclear units closer to its international boundaries and its frontier with other hotspots within Russia, such as the northern Caucasus region. The Russian military have been called up to help evacuate Russian nationals within these hotspots and have ordered non-essential civilians to leave Syria, Iraq, the Gulf states and other nations in the Arab world.
 
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I saw that they were increasing their bombing strikes and working with the French. but haven't seen anything about their nukes. that would be a huge move on their part.
 
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what happens when said military target is in a civilian location? How most terrorist seem to operate.
 
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Prohibited if used against civilians or civilian areas.

I wasn't able to get the video to load so I couldn't tell where the strikes were occurring.
 
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I hate to sound like this, but to eradicate the problem, collateral damage must occur...sad, but so..

I hope they Willy Pete the **** out of whatever place they need to. Jmo
 
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