Russia brings the fight to ISIS in Syria!!!

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Pacer92 said:
The only theories being floated around are the ones where you continue to make excuses for our agenda. Its okay to admit that we are only over there to oust Assad and not slow down ISIS.
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You know that it is possible that we could be seeking both of those objectives, right, regardless of the soundness of either objective?

You just seem upset because Russia hasn't done as much to defeat ISIS as you probably originally thought. You bought into the Kremlin propaganda machine yet again and got burned by it, yet again.
 
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volprof said:
You know that it is possible that we could be seeking both of those objectives, right, regardless of the soundness of either objective?

You just seem upset because Russia hasn't done as much to defeat ISIS as you probably originally thought. You bought into the Kremlin propaganda machine yet again and got burned by it, yet again.
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Lol. That's pretty funny...
 
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TOP said:
Turkish F-16 shoots down Russian fighter jet near Syria border | Fox News


Welcome to the war, Turkey. Russia and China will be glad to blow you up with Isis.

I wish our president would grow a pair, and share some bullets with Turkey on Thanksgiving. He'll probably go golfing instead, maybe he'll only spend 2 million this time instead of 3 million while NBA players donate turkey to the poor. Obama better keep his turkey legs out of it and not even bother defending Turkey if Russia decides to mop the floor with Turkey. I know Obama would love nothing more than to protect the Muslims but he can f*** off already. This isn't his war, he's made that clear. The coward should continue cowering, it's what he's good for. Go side with thugs over cops and all that bulls***. Russia and China, you have Turkey's address. Send them your love.
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You must be Putin's personal massage boy in the Kremlin.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Lol. That's pretty funny...
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The only thing funny is watching how many times the Kremlin propaganda machine burns you and leaves you for dead, yet you keep going right back to it, like a glutton for punishment.

You must be masochistic.
 
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LouderVol said:
let me ask a question for all. If all of our work was only able to achieve Korbane being relatively secure, and held by the Kurd militia. Why has Russia only been able to open a supply lane to a town that has been under siege with a real military behind them? especially if Russia is being so much more effective? where are the magical results? the air campaign for Korbane was roughly as long as Russia has been in Syria. the dates are debatable on both sides which is why I said roughly.
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The US air campaign, by any rational military observer, as been far more effective than Russia's. Russia just seems to be leveling entire city blocks to destroy one target, as you alluded to above, then reports to the media that it struck umpteen targets in Syria (when in reality it may have only hit one).

That Foxtrot Alpha article on the Russian air campaign I provided a few pages back was the best assessment of Russia's air war in Syria I've read thus far. The author's claim is basically that, while Russia has been able to fight Assad's opponents much cheaper than the US (and he provides reasons for that, which the US can't help), this "fighting another person's war on the cheap" has also made their campaign incredibly ineffective. The Russian Ministry of Defense will report that they've hit 150 targets, say, when in reality they've simply dropped 150 bombs that hit god knows what. Chances are most of Russia's bombs haven't even destroyed a single terrorist target. It's mostly just a display, the author claims, for Russian domestic audiences and the world, a psychological gambit to make Russia look like it's doing something significant when it really isn't.
 
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volprof said:
The only thing funny is watching how many times the Kremlin propaganda machine burns you and leaves you for dead, yet you keep going right back to it, like a glutton for punishment.

You must be masochistic.
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The only thing funny is the butthurt you constantly display because Putin is exploiting US lies.

Don't you have some liberal, entitled kids you need to be suckling?
 
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volprof said:
The US air campaign, by any rational military observer, as been far more effective than Russia's. Russia just seems to be leveling entire city blocks to destroy one target, as you alluded to above, then reports to the media that it struck umpteen targets in Syria (when in reality it may have only hit one).

That Foxtrot Alpha article on the Russian air campaign I provided a few pages back was the best assessment of Russia's air war in Syria I've read thus far. The author's claim is basically that, while Russia has been able to fight Assad's opponents much cheaper than the US (and he provides reasons for that, which the US can't help), this "fighting another person's war on the cheap" has also made their campaign incredibly ineffective. The Russian Ministry of Defense will report that they've hit 150 targets, say, when in reality they've simply dropped 150 bombs that hit god knows what. Chances are most of Russia's bombs haven't even destroyed a single terrorist target. It's mostly just a display, the author claims, for Russian domestic audiences and the world, a psychological gambit to make Russia look like it's doing something significant when it really isn't.
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i agree that they are doing this to an extent but I don't think its that extreme. I don't think you think that ratio is exact but it needs to be said.
 
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LouderVol said:
prof why the switch to the Senate and People of the Republic of Rome?
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A few reasons:

1. I've recently become enamored of Roman history after spending some considerable time studying Russian and Mongol histories, and their respective empires. I'm currently reading a book by Robert Kaplan (the geography/travel/geopolitical journalist I've mentioned before) on leadership and the pagan ethos. Rome, as you might imagine, plays a critical part in his assessment.

2. Rome is the earliest predecessor of America. In fact, if you study the histories, the origins, and the values, the similarities between the two are uncanny. Part of this, of course, is because our Founding Fathers intentionally modeled the US after the Roman Republic.

3. Speaking of which, while I don't necessarily have a problem with empire (empires are neither inherently good nor evil - they are whatever the metropole makes it), I want our nation's citizens and politicians to return to the values of the Republic (Rome and US) that made them great rather than the increasingly decadent values of the Empire. A return to the early pagan Republican values of Rome and America is much needed. We can still have our empire (because I think it fundamentally good for us and the world), but we need to get back to the values that put us in that position of strength in the first place rather than spending ourselves into oblivion across the globe and primarily trying to serve the elite rather than the global good.

A lot of this is romantic of course, but what's a people and a history without some romance and something for which to live passionately.

4. It just looks f'ing cool.
 
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LouderVol said:
i agree that they are doing this to an extent but I don't think its that extreme. I don't think you think that ratio is exact but it needs to be said.
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No, the ratio isn't exact. It was mostly for rhetorical effect.

I'm sure Russia has hit its fair share of targets, but it is often partially blind (i.e., taking out the entire block for one target, or videos of TU-22Ms carpet bombing from high altitude who knows what in the Syrian desert). I do not think, additionally, that figures of some 450 destroyed ISIS oil tankers, like that from the Russian Ministry of Defense, are even remotely accurate. I think Russia dropped some dozens or so of dumb munitions out in the desert on a convoy or two (of who knows who) and laid waste. In reality, the targets destroyed were most likely few and far in between and may not have even been ISIS.
 
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Obama just gave a speech to say we will not be controlled by fear but then the coward basically offers up nothing to help. He just wanted to to call his own people fear-mongers and reiterate that he's going to bring over Muslim trash even if it divides us. His speech offered up no facts and no solutions. Congrats Obama, you did what you do best, nothing.

Can we get Putin in an as president with thunderf00t in as vice president? I hope Russia continues plowing through and doing as they please. F our spineless coward of a "leader". Go play another 18 holes, this isn't your fight. We know, we know you're a coward. Russia is far from the problem. In fact, I'd go as far as saying they're the solution.

France's leader responds by saying we'll fight ISIS anywhere. Pretty sure he means letting them come here first and then fighting them. I don't care if believing Islam is a joke of a religion makes me a bigot. Pretty soon eating meat will make you a bigot against whatever animal it is you're eating. Nobody would care if I laughed at brain-dead scientologists. Nobody would care if I said Jonah and the whale is an asinine story. Islam is a stupid religion with a false prophet. End of story.

Keep up the good work, Putin. Don't let NATO and our house keeper tell you how to fight your war. Do as you please, like all the Muslim rapists. In Sweden, 100% of rapes committed by strangers are by Muslims. Yeah, that will happen when 72% are single males and there aren't women there that want to be with their smelly, yellowed teethed ass. Half of the U.S. supports you, Obama can't and won't do anything to stop you. Keep the bombs dropping.
 
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TOP said:
Obama just gave a speech to say we will not be controlled by fear but then the coward basically offers up nothing to help. He just wanted to to call his own people fear-mongers and reiterate that he's going to bring over Muslim trash even if it divides us. His speech offered up no facts and no solutions. Congrats Obama, you did what you do best, nothing.

Can we get Putin in an as president with thunderf00t in as vice president? I hope Russia continues plowing through and doing as they please. F our spineless coward of a "leader". Go play another 18 holes, this isn't your fight. We know, we know you're a coward. Russia is far from the problem. In fact, I'd go as far as saying they're the solution.

France's leader responds by saying we'll fight ISIS anywhere. Pretty sure he means letting them come here first and then fighting them. I don't care if believing Islam is a joke of a religion makes me a bigot. Pretty soon eating meat will make you a bigot against whatever animal it is you're eating. Nobody would care if I laughed at brain-dead scientologists. Nobody would care if I said Jonah and the whale is an asinine story. Islam is a stupid religion with a false prophet. End of story.

Keep up the good work, Putin. Don't let NATO and our house keeper tell you how to fight your war. Do as you please, like all the Muslim rapists. In Sweden, 100% of rapes committed by strangers are by Muslims. Yeah, that will happen when 72% are single males and there aren't women there that want to be with their smelly, yellowed teethed ass. Half of the U.S. supports you, Obama can't and won't do anything to stop you. Keep the bombs dropping.
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Had to look up thunderf00t, but since he's an atheist, Putin would probably put a bullet in his head. You know, since Putin is such a devoted member of the Russian Orthodox Church.
 
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MG1968 said:
Had to look up thunderf00t, but since he's an atheist, Putin would probably put a bullet in his head. You know, since Putin is such a devoted member of the Russian Orthodox Church.
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And yet atheists live there. Would you like me to show you their youtube channels as well? Putin didn't line them up and shoot them. Unlike Saudi's who sentenced a non-muslim poet believer to death.
 
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hog88 said:
No, of course not.

Makes sense then, I would expect that plenty of TOW systems were captured by ISIS.
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Why would you expect that plenty of TOW systems were captured by ISIS? Surely we weren't so stupid as to arm Iraq or the "moderate" rebels with them.
 
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TOP said:
Obama just gave a speech to say we will not be controlled by fear but then the coward basically offers up nothing to help. He just wanted to to call his own people fear-mongers and reiterate that he's going to bring over Muslim trash even if it divides us. His speech offered up no facts and no solutions. Congrats Obama, you did what you do best, nothing.

Can we get Putin in an as president with thunderf00t in as vice president? I hope Russia continues plowing through and doing as they please. F our spineless coward of a "leader". Go play another 18 holes, this isn't your fight. We know, we know you're a coward. Russia is far from the problem. In fact, I'd go as far as saying they're the solution.

France's leader responds by saying we'll fight ISIS anywhere. Pretty sure he means letting them come here first and then fighting them. I don't care if believing Islam is a joke of a religion makes me a bigot. Pretty soon eating meat will make you a bigot against whatever animal it is you're eating. Nobody would care if I laughed at brain-dead scientologists. Nobody would care if I said Jonah and the whale is an asinine story. Islam is a stupid religion with a false prophet. End of story.

Keep up the good work, Putin. Don't let NATO and our house keeper tell you how to fight your war. Do as you please, like all the Muslim rapists. In Sweden, 100% of rapes committed by strangers are by Muslims. Yeah, that will happen when 72% are single males and there aren't women there that want to be with their smelly, yellowed teethed ass. Half of the U.S. supports you, Obama can't and won't do anything to stop you. Keep the bombs dropping.
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Because it's often difficult for someone with a problem to recognize his problem without help from others, I'll be that helping hand: your posts are the VolNation equivalent of the Obama presidency.

Let that sink in for a bit.
 
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MG1968 said:
Had to look up thunderf00t, but since he's an atheist, Putin would probably put a bullet in his head. You know, since Putin is such a devoted member of the Russian Orthodox Church.
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Regardless, me agreeing with Phil Mason's views doesn't change the fact that an army is needed. I don't think thunderf00t has an army so it's best to side with the people helping further your views(Putin/Russia). Phil Mason gets how stupid this wave of feminism, how stupid black lives matter is, and how stupid the religion of islam is. To be fair, he thinks all reigions are stupid but islam tends to be the one intentionally destroying education and keeping their people in the dark. They're the ones beheading people and killing simply for not believing. At least Sweeden is projected to be a 3rd world country in the next 15 years. Good for them. Glad it's working out for them. All the rape and gay bashing from all the peaceful muslims. The education across schools has plummeted.
 
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