Santorum

#152
#152
therealUT said:
Rasputin posts a video in which Santorum pretty much says he disagrees with the principles that America was founded upon and GS responds by implying that he will still vote for Santorum over Obama because Obama is the traitor. Am I following this correctly?
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One is a brown moozlim commie, the other isn't
 
#153
#153
Rasputin_Vol said:
Misdirected anger. Your anger should be at the people and institutions that have left us less self-sufficient over the last 40 years, not some blockade halfway around the world.
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hndog609 said:
Hypothetically speaking, if your good ole American neighbor down the street had those things for your family wouldn't it make more sense to just go jack him up for it?


(Basically just saying you need to be very mindful of where this argument takes you)
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Rasputin_Vol said:
He's basically saying we need to fight wars halfway around the globe for oil when we have resources in this hemisphere. Hell, I might halfway respect that position if they were willing to send troops to Mexico or Venezuela. :unsure:
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You could not be more wrong in your ASSumptions. I am asking therealut what he thinks our obligations are. I am saying that inaction is the same as Action if Allies are attacked and "wiped off the map" so please Don't use the tired war for oil crap to try to trivilize the effects of Iran nuking Isreal and going after US/European allies and controlling the Strategic Red Sea/Meditereean Ports dictating and controlling markets.

Mutually assured destructin assures the civilized countries won't likely drop a Nuke but it does not matter to those who aspire to the 12th Imam,Mahmoud Ahmadinejad , and that they are setting things in motion in obedience as directed by their interpretation of their god.

So foolish statements like i have "misguided anger" are inaccurate and don't even speak to the point i am addressing in that in the event of the WORST we would be affected in all ways "not just OIL" and self preservation lends itself that one would do many things in order to get basics for family if economy collapsed ,like a loaf of bread costing a wheel barrel full of money due to hyperinflation,
see weimar republic
..Hyperinflation in the Weimar Republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If this seems like a totally crazy notion.

So just to let you I am just discusssing this with him and seeing his opinion(s) not trying to carjack you for your high test.
 
#157
#157
Big performance for Santorum tonight. I now officially have no idea who will be the nominee.

At this point, I find it hard to think I would vote for Santorum. Maybe I'll feel different once the Obama campaign ads start.

Could be Gary Johnson is earning my vote.
 
#158
#158
Santorum seems like a nice guy, but he lost me when he said that there is nothing that he would cut out of the defense budget. Add to that the fact that he also said that on his first day as POTUS, he would reinstate DADT, and a whole host of other GOP Big Government ideas that are mostly social in nature.
 
#159
#159
The social conservatism is a real turn-off. Some of his comments on gays are highly offensive. Not sure I can stomach that to move Obama out. Doubt Independents would line up behind him.
 
#160
#160
This guy might possibly be the worst serious candidate I've ever seen. The GOP is screwed if he gets the nod. His backasswards social stances will be incredibly divisive.
 
#161
#161
his views may be different than yours volatile but alot of americans have the same ones as him.

i personally would not pick him as the candidate if I had my choice but I would vote for mickey mouse at this point if he was on the other side of the ballot come voting time.

people need to really wake up and get hte big picture....this guy gets re-elected the country is screwed.

I personally will shut down all operations and move to asia first quarter of 2013 if he is re-elected. You can laugh all you want at that but that's over 100 employees and I'm just one of thousands out there who will do the same.

The fall-out if he gets re-elected is going to be huge. I'm not sticking around to get taxed 75% and have more hurdles and more bs about how horrible a person I am.

not my top pick...but anyone who votes for someone who has no chance of winning just to make a statement is playing with fire at this point.
 
#162
#162
It's only the religious nutcases that vote for Santorum, though. This country will be in the ****ter no matter who is POTUS. You're going to move no matter what to save yourself a buck. Santorum won't, and can't, singlehandedly do enough to change things.
 
#163
#163
VOLatile said:
It's only the religious nutcases that vote for Santorum, though. This country will be in the ****ter no matter who is POTUS. You're going to move no matter what to save yourself a buck. Santorum won't, and can't, singlehandedly do enough to change things.
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I don't think that's true. Did you see the numbers from Missouri? I'm not sure you can call 139,000 to 64,000 (Santorum vs. Romney) just the religious nutcase effect. Now, those aren't huge participation numbers, but I don't see the nutcase argument here.
 
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#164
#164
Taking Ron Paul out of the equation, Santorum is the only candidate that has any semblance of an "everyman" sort of quality about him.

As I mentioned in the other thread, Romeny couldn't possibly be any better of an embodiment of the stereotypical rich a-hole antagonist from the movies if he tried, and calling him a conservative based on his record is a real stretch (granted there's only so much one can do in Massachusetts, but it is what it is). Newt's whole campaign is based purely on angry and talking points, and Mitt's superPAC ads revealed the fact that Newt is the definitive Washington insider, which turns people off.

Santorum comes the closest to being the standard Republican neoconservative of the three, but he's still trailing Obama by double digits in nearly all of the major polls, and getting any real momentum with swing voters would be miraculous.
 
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TennTradition said:
I don't think that's true. Did you see the numbers from Missouri? I'm not sure you can call 139,000 to 64,000 (Santorum vs. Romney) just the religious nutcase effect. Now, those aren't huge participation numbers, but I don't see the nutcase argument here.
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I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say there are 75,000 nutcases in Missouri.

(just taking a shot at our newest conference rival, not trying to make a serious point)
 
#166
#166
"This whole idea of personal autonomy, well I don’t think most conservatives hold that point of view. Some do. They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues. You know, people should do whatever they want. Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can’t go it alone." Rick Santorum

That quote tells me all i need to know about Mr. Santorum. What the hell is wrong with this country?
 
#167
#167
He couldn't win an election running as the incumbent, why is he now better than a few years ago?
 
#168
#168
Santorum lost me when he said the first thing he plans to do if elected is visit Israel and kiss their ass
 
#172
#172
Santorum is a disaster. Obama would destroy him. Also I'm not a fan of his social conservatism/big govt stance. He would be a horrible prez
 
#173
#173
The turnout was down significantly in all 3 from 2008. Regardless of who wins the nomination, the reality is that some significant part of the party just won't be very enthusiastic.
 
#174
#174
If the Tea Party train gets rolling again, anything can happen.
 
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