Saquon Barkley is the best RB I've ever seen

[bamawriter]

Daniel Bituli is the most talented LB in college football. Darrin Kirkland Jr. is a close second.

This is the dumbest post I have seen in a while from you and that's sayin

Come on, Dawg. It's extremely common for the team with the best linebacker in the country to get run on like they're playing 8-on-11. It pretty much happens every year, right?

 

[TDawg]

Come on, Dawg. It's extremely common for the team with the best linebacker in the country to get run on like they're playing 8-on-11. It pretty much happens every year, right?

LOL .. yeah, all the time .. I mean, last year didn't Bama have some teams pop 300 yards rushing on them with Reuben in the mix??? Ahhhh, NO.

He blames it on coaching. But there is a talent gap that he is too much of a homer to see. Teams with good talent but average coaching win 10 games still (see UGA 2015). Teams with good talent and bad coaching still muster 7-9 and go to a bowl. UT had bad coaching and a lack of talent this year. Results showed.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Because D4H’s eye test makes NFL scouts drool in awe. Can’t doubt the skills of a kid who said Moseley would be a 1st rounder...

Never said that about Moseley. I only said Justin Martin had first round talent based on his physical tools. And I still believe that. Martin just never actually played up to his physical tools.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Get over yourself!!!!!

Let me give you a little history lesson here. Back when the 2013 class was being recruited, UGA fans wanted Kamara bad (remember, I told you already I have been watching the kid since high school), especially considering at one point Derrick Henry was committed to UGA then Kirby and Pruitt worked to change that. But that was the year that Shaq Wiggins, Tray Matthews, Reuben Foster and Alvin Kamara were talking about the "Package Deal."

Well, as history has proven, package deals are typically not happening and UGA got the short end of the stick getting Wiggins (overrated) and Tray Matthews (thug and overrated, fit right in at Auburn) while Bama got Reuben and Kamara. When Kamara decided to leave Bama, UGA fans thought, hey we got another shot. Losing him in 2013 didn't hurt as bad having Gurley, Marshall on campus and 2015 Dawg fans had to suck it up losing him to UT knowing they already had Chubb and Michel in the mix. But believe me, we knew he was ultra talented and most wanted to throw him in the mix but the depth chart was something he didn't want to contend with which is a big reason he decided to part with Bama despite being friends with Reuben.

As I said before, you are WAY behind in seeing this kid's talent. He was teammates with Lorenzo Carter at Norcross High and anyone with one good eye and at least a glass one on the other side could see he was going to be a stud. Now, are you the first to call him a future HoFer? Sure, because doing that at this early stage is STUPID. Especially considering every other HoF RB was the bell cow for their team and not splitting carries with another Pro Bowl RB.

As for the others drafted prior, Cook got hurt but he and Fournette both were every down backs getting the majority of the touches and getting used heavily. Both were 4 YPC or better even still. So it isn't like they were a couple of freaking stiffs. Yet to be seen how well Cook comes back from ACL surgery but by this time in 2019 he very well could be back at full strength (he'll be back next year but it usually takes about a year and a half to be back all the way). So the Saints taking Kamara though already having a guy who can carry the full load made that pick a luxury pick and it was a good one.

Also, I don't care if it's you or anyone else, I hate the "this guy is the next insert hall of famer's name here" thing. It's almost disrespectful to the player not letting them just be, in this case, the next Alvin Kamara. Most just say that stuff because it sounds catchy or they don't have the ability to explain why a kid is really good. They don't seem to be able to relate that AK has great shiftiness, better than average vision, top end speed and is very tough. That stuff is what he has had for the last 5 or 6 years and it's just gotten better.

So in closing, NO, YOU WEREN'T THE ONLY ONE THAT SAW HOW GOOD THIS GUY COULD BE but I think the lower pick in the draft was a result of the fact he hasn't been a full-time, every down back since HS.

Are you seriously mentioning recruiting hype? Hundreds of kids get hyped each year in recruiting. I'm talking NFL draft.

When it comes to the NFL draft I'm the only person I heard say Alvin Kamara was the #1 RB in the draft. Nobody else was saying that. Even most Vols fans were saying Fournette, Cook, or McCaffrey were better. UGA fans have been arguing Nick Chubb and Sony Michel were better as college players.

That was a lot of fiction and misdirection you posted.

 

[BeardedVol]

Never said that about Moseley. I only said Justin Martin had first round talent based on his physical tools. And I still believe that. Martin just never actually played up to his physical tools.

Wait, isn't that a paradox? If he never played up to his physical tools, how did he pass your "eye test"?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

This is the dumbest post I have seen in a while from you and that's saying something. It's as blatant as homerism gets. Bituli would barely crack the two-deep at Bama and wouldn't start for UGA (well, considering how many injuries Bama has had to the LBs this year, he might get on the field then). Roquan is FAR AND AWAY a better MLB than Bituli. It's not CLOSE AT ALL and considering how sketchy your NFL predictions are and have been, it probably means Roquan is going to have a monster NFL career. His sideline to sideline speed is second to no one, his instincts are the the thing most NFL scouts are talking about and he sheds blocks as well as anyone at the position. He is the best tackler in the SEC and has missed ZERO tackles. You keep making statements like that above and when you get out of HS and get your first job, they are going to ask you to pee in a cup every week.

And? Alvin Kamara didn't break the Bama depth chart in 2013 and today in the NFL he's much better than everyone else from that RB room.

Daniel Bituli is more physically gifted than Roquan Smith and anyone on Alabama outside of Terrell Lewis (who plays a different position as an outside linebacker while Bituli is an inside backer).

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

LOL .. yeah, all the time .. I mean, last year didn't Bama have some teams pop 300 yards rushing on them with Reuben in the mix??? Ahhhh, NO.

He blames it on coaching. But there is a talent gap that he is too much of a homer to see. Teams with good talent but average coaching win 10 games still (see UGA 2015). Teams with good talent and bad coaching still muster 7-9 and go to a bowl. UT had bad coaching and a lack of talent this year. Results showed.

Tennessee has had an unprecedent two year run when it comes to injuries. That has been the biggest impact on Tennessee's record the last 2 years.

The last time a talented team had ANYWHERE close to the amount of injuries was that Florida team that went 4-8. A team that a year earlier played in the Sugar Bowl and sent many players to the NFL over the next couple of years.

Injuries have been the biggest reason for Tennessee's record the last 2 years.

 

[BeardedVol]

And? Alvin Kamara didn't break the Bama depth chart in 2013 and today in the NFL he's much better than everyone else from that RB room.

Daniel Bituli is more physically gifted than Roquan Smith and anyone on Alabama outside of Terrell Lewis (who plays a different position as an outside linebacker while Bituli is an inside backer).

Do you even remember who Alabama's top 3 rushers were in 2013? Let me refresh your memory.

You are trying to pretend that Alabama passed over Kamara for scrubs, just because Kamara is balling out this year, and that's just ridiculous.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Wait, isn't that a paradox? If he never played up to his physical tools, how did he pass your "eye test"?

He didn't pass my eye test. I've not said Justin Martin should be a first rounder. And I haven't touted him as a future NFL star.

All I've said is the right coach could develop him into a good player because of his elite physical tools.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Do you even remember who Alabama's top 3 rushers were in 2013? Let me refresh your memory.

You are trying to pretend that Alabama passed over Kamara for scrubs, just because Kamara is balling out this year, and that's just ridiculous.

No. I'm not saying they were scrubs. I'm saying Alvin is way better than them. And he still couldn't get ahead of them on the depth chart.

 

[BeardedVol]

He didn't pass my eye test. I've not said Justin Martin should be a first rounder. And I haven't touted him as a future NFL star.

All I've said is the right coach could develop him into a good player because of his elite physical tools.

So, if Martin didn't pass the "eye test", on what did you base your 'first round talent' presumption?

 

[BeardedVol]

No. I'm not saying they were scrubs. I'm saying Alvin is way better than them. And he still couldn't get ahead of them on the depth chart.

So, in your deranged mind, Kamara balling out in his rookie year in the NFL in 2017, means that he would have been better than TJ Yeldon at Alabama in 2013?:thud:

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

So, if Martin didn't pass the "eye test", what did you base your 'first round talent' presumption?

His physical tools. Height, arm length, fluid hips, straight line speed, etc.

Basically I would take Justin Martin's body over almost any other CB. Because Justin Martin has the perfect body to be an elite CB.

 

[The Ron Mexico]

His physical tools. Height, arm length, fluid hips, straight line speed, etc.

Basically I would take Justin Martin's body over almost any other CB. Because Justin Martin has the perfect body to be an elite CB.

Today I learned D4H wants to be Justin Martin's personal oil-up boy.

 

[BeardedVol]

His physical tools. Height, arm length, fluid hips, straight line speed, etc.

Basically I would take Justin Martin's body over almost any other CB. Because Justin Martin has the perfect body to be an elite CB.

So, in lieu of convincing stats, or passing your own Eye Test™, you based your opinion of his football talent and draft ranking on your physical attraction to him?:ermm:

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

So, in your deranged mind, Kamara balling out in his rookie year in the NFL in 2017, means that he would have been better than TJ Yeldon at Alabama in 2013?:thud:

No. If you go back to what I said about Daniel Bituli, I said he was the most TALENTED linebacker in the country. In terms of TALENT, Alvin was always more talented than those other guys.

 

[Vol0725]

This thread started about Barkley being best RB seen since 2000. So we are looking at college performers, being that Barkley's not been to the next level.

Reggie Bush, best all-around RB in 21st century of college football on the field.
Highest % Heisman vote in history, although 5 yrs later it was vacated.

Not only from an RB perspective, a few years ago he was rated in the Top 25 college players of all time.

Reggie was a baller, hands-down game-changer highlight reel

 

[Atlanta917]

And? Alvin Kamara didn't break the Bama depth chart in 2013 and today in the NFL he's much better than everyone else from that RB room.

Daniel Bituli is more physically gifted than Roquan Smith and anyone on Alabama outside of Terrell Lewis (who plays a different position as an outside linebacker while Bituli is an inside backer).

Come on man. Even with homer glasses it should be easy to see how much better Roquan is than Bituli. Theres a reason Roquan is projected to be a top 10 pick and Bituli isn't, but just in case you can't see it, here is PFF grades for UT and UGA.
Roquan Smith- 90.4 (second overall in the NCAA)
Daniel Bituli: 78.5
Here's the 0-100 grading scale PFF uses and what the numbers means:
> 85 or higher: Considered NFL-ready
> 80-84: Very good
> 50-60: Average
> Below 50: Bad

Sauce:
PFF Grades: Georgia's defense vs Oklahoma's offense
Tennessee Vols football: Pro Football Focus player grades for 2017 season

 

[BeardedVol]

No. If you go back to what I said about Daniel Bituli, I said he was the most TALENTED linebacker in the country. In terms of TALENT, Alvin was always more talented than those other guys.

What you don't seem to understand, and/or willfully disregard, is that if 'talent' doesn't result in on-the-field production, then the existence of perceived talent is utterly meaningless.

 

[bamawriter]

Basically I would take Justin Martin's body...

Justin Martin has the perfect body

It's getting weird in here.

 

[hndog609]

What you don't seem to understand, and/or willfully disregard, is that if 'talent' doesn't result in on-the-field production, then the existence of perceived talent is utterly meaningless.

This all day, all night and into the next millennium. D4H's talent assessment is like a guy that thinks he's a good golfer and can talk endlessly on the subject but get him on the links and he's a 30 handicap on his best day. Sure, he can hit a good drive/approach/putt here and there but primarily he's a hacker and the score card reflects that fact.

 

[TDawg]

Come on man. Even with homer glasses it should be easy to see how much better Roquan is than Bituli. Theres a reason Roquan is projected to be a top 10 pick and Bituli isn't, but just in case you can't see it, here is PFF grades for UT and UGA.
Roquan Smith- 90.4 (second overall in the NCAA)
Daniel Bituli: 78.5
Here's the 0-100 grading scale PFF uses and what the numbers means:
> 85 or higher: Considered NFL-ready
> 80-84: Very good
> 50-60: Average
> Below 50: Bad

Sauce:
PFF Grades: Georgia's defense vs Oklahoma's offense
Tennessee Vols football: Pro Football Focus player grades for 2017 season

This! Bituli on his BEST day is not nearly the LB that Roquan Smith is and if D4H is using his "eye test" to justify it, blindness is something he should be checked for. Again, neither Bituli or Kirkland would make UGAs two-deep and neither will be NFL starters except for spot starts here and there.

 

[The Ron Mexico]

It's getting weird in here.

You mean you don't have a list of football players with great bodies? Or do you just keep it hidden from message boards?

 

[The Ron Mexico]

His physical tools. Height, arm length, fluid hips, straight line speed, etc.

Basically I would take Justin Martin's body over almost any other CB. Because Justin Martin has the perfect body to be an elite CB.

When it comes to football bodies, I like this one. But to each his own.

 

[The Ron Mexico]

Can we please have a thread dedicated to D4H judging men's football bodies?