Saquon Barkley is the best RB I've ever seen

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Those guys do suck at their jobs. They let Alvin Kamara fall to the 3rd round. A guy who I said before the draft was the #1 RB available and future superstar in the NFL.

I predicted exactly what would happen with Alvin. I said he would be a Marshall Faulk type player who would rush for 1000 yards and have 1000 yards receiving in the same season BEFORE THE DRAFT.

Now people are comparing Alvin to Marshall Faulk (including his head coach Sean Payton). And he's on pace for 800+ yards rushing And 800+ yards receiving as a rookie. Numbers that would put him in class by himself as a rookie.

It's stuff like this that gives my confidence that I know more about this than these so called "experts".
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If you drafted Josh Dobbs, Cam Sutton, and James Connor in the first round and passed on Joey Bosa and Jared Goff, it wouldn’t matter if you picked up Kamara. You’d be fired.
 
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Vols410 said:
If you drafted Josh Dobbs, Cam Sutton, and James Connor in the first round and passed on Joey Bosa and Jared Goff, it wouldn’t matter if you picked up Kamara. You’d be fired.
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And after I'm fired the team led by Dobbs, Kamara, Sutton, and Conner will win the Super Bowl.

I'm not concerned with having views that are in line with the consensus if I believe they are wrong. You are right that there is a lot of group think in the NFL. People are afraid to make bold picks in the draft which is why so many great players fall in the draft.

I say what I believe and I don't care what anyone else says.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
And after I'm fired the team led by Dobbs, Kamara, Sutton, and Conner will win the Super Bowl.

I'm not concerned with having views that are in line with the consensus if I believe they are wrong. You are right that there is a lot of group think in the NFL. People are afraid to make bold picks in the draft which is why so many great players fall in the draft.

I say what I believe and I don't care what anyone else says.
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You do you, boo.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I'm not concerned with having views that are in line with the consensus if I believe they are wrong. You are right that there is a lot of group think in the NFL. People are afraid to make bold picks in the draft which is why so many great players fall in the draft.

I say what I believe and I don't care what reality demonstrates.
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It's been pointed out repeatedly that the overwhelming majority of Pro Bowlers and HOF's are made up of high draft choices. Your reliance on citing outliers is one of the few things* you do more than cry "luck" when your assertions aren't panning out. (fyp in 2nd paragraph)

*You're #1 ploy of course is kicking the can down the road so you can duck being wrong now in favor of eventually being right in a future that has yet to happen.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
And after I'm fired the team led by Dobbs, Kamara, Sutton, and Conner will win the Super Bowl.

I'm not concerned with having views that are in line with the consensus if I believe they are wrong. You are right that there is a lot of group think in the NFL. People are afraid to make bold picks in the draft which is why so many great players fall in the draft.

I say what I believe and I don't care what anyone else says.
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Okay bro
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Those guys do suck at their jobs. They let Alvin Kamara fall to the 3rd round. A guy who I said before the draft was the #1 RB available and future superstar in the NFL.

I predicted exactly what would happen with Alvin. I said he would be a Marshall Faulk type player who would rush for 1000 yards and have 1000 yards receiving in the same season BEFORE THE DRAFT.

Now people are comparing Alvin to Marshall Faulk (including his head coach Sean Payton). And he's on pace for 800+ yards rushing And 800+ yards receiving as a rookie. Numbers that would put him in class by himself as a rookie.

It's stuff like this that gives my confidence that I know more about this than these so called "experts".
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So because you got one going well, and we have to say "going well" because one year doth not make a career, everyone else sucks? And you don't know a freaking thing about the draft process apparently because there are any number of factors that may have caused this kid to fall to the third round. Wunderlich, interviews, strength numbers .. But you were wrong about 1000/1000 and he may not get to 800/800 either .. nice in a part time role but AGAIN, no RB in the HoF did it from a part time role.

AGAIN, what makes you think you are qualified to say these guys who do this for a living suck and you are the guy they should be listening to? You've proven you don't know anything about the OL, Linebackers or Quarterbacks so what else is on your resume?
 
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TDawg said:
So because you got one going well, and we have to say "going well" because one year doth not make a career, everyone else sucks? And you don't know a freaking thing about the draft process apparently because there are any number of factors that may have caused this kid to fall to the third round. Wunderlich, interviews, strength numbers .. But you were wrong about 1000/1000 and he may not get to 800/800 either .. nice in a part time role but AGAIN, no RB in the HoF did it from a part time role.

AGAIN, what makes you think you are qualified to say these guys who do this for a living suck and you are the guy they should be listening to? You've proven you don't know anything about the OL, Linebackers or Quarterbacks so what else is on your resume?
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I didn't predict he would go for 1000/1000 as a rookie. I said he would do it at some point in his career.

Obviously given how productive he has been so far this season despite the limited touches, it shows that I was on the right track. At some point in his career, Alvin will get 1000 yards rushing and 1000 yards receiving in the same season.
 
#710
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TDawg said:
Well, no offense to UTs personnel but D4H is a guy who proclaimed that UT had two LBs on their roster that were both better than Roquan Smith with Bituli and Kirkland .. I mean, there's being a homer and then there's THAT.

Guess Roquan chasing people down all over the field, destroying plays in the backfield, reading plays pre-snap at ridiculous level and quarterbacking that entire defense didn't pass D4Hs "eye test" ..
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On behalf of UT’s personnel, none taken. Not one of our linebackers from the 2017 or 2018 roster could or will be able to hold Roquan Smith’s jockstrap as an SEC linebacker. Hopefully that won’t be the case in 2019
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Been saying this for months now. That boy is simply special. He's worlds better than Ezekiel Elliott and Leonard Fournette who came out in recent years. And I have to say he's better than Adrian Peterson and LaDanian Tomlinson as well (who were the best RBs I've ever saw before Saquon Barkley).

Now obviously I didn't see the likes of Barry Sanders, Walter Payton, and Jim Brown play so I can't call Saquon Barkley the greatest of all time. But he is clearly the best RB I've seen since the year 2000/2001 when I started watching football regularly.
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Go watch our games of Bo Jackson and Herschel Walker..Guys were huge and as fast as the wind
 
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KBVol said:
On behalf of UT’s personnel, none taken. Not one of our linebackers from the 2017 or 2018 roster could or will be able to hold Roquan Smith’s jockstrap as an SEC linebacker. Hopefully that won’t be the case in 2019
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Well, regardless of how well CJP does as a HC, I would be your defense just got several notches better simply by brining him in to be the HC.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Bo Jackson was amazing. However, I wasn't impressed with Herschel Walker. Yes he was big and fast but he was very stiff and didn't have much wiggle.
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Drugs are just something you should start saying no to. When you're 6'2 and like 235/240 and run as fast as he did, you don't need "wiggle" .. I mean, you're talking about a guy who had over 13k yards from scrimmage and 82 TDs in the NFL (YOUR LITMUS TEST) after spending his first three years in the USFL, against a litany of future NFL stars, and lighting that league up. He did all this for a few different teams too. Also could add in over 5k yards on KR too. Also, in the USFL, he had a 2,400 yard rushing season and again, you can discount those numbers if you want but there were a lot of NFL players scattered throughout the USFL.

Here's the thing, put them in whatever order you want too, but the top three greatest college football players of all time all came from the SEC and its Herschel, Bo and Tebow.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Gurley has the better season only because he gets more touches.

Alvin has been the best RB this year by a WIDE margin.
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Kamara ain’t built like that tho he couldn’t hold up for 16 games if he got the amount of touches Gurley gets there’s a reason Ingram is the workhorse

Kamara NEEDS somebody to split carries with him for his long term health

He’s a great change of pace back like a Darren Sproles type
 
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BIG BOI 23 said:
Kamara ain’t built like that tho he couldn’t hold up for 16 games if he got the amount of touches Gurley gets there’s a reason Ingram is the workhorse

Kamara NEEDS somebody to split carries with him for his long term health

He’s a great change of pace back like a Darren Sproles type
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Sproles is a great comparison, and maybe more Kevin Faulk than Marshall Faulk. Gurley, I believe is also leading his team in receptions also. The guy is a horse.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Gurley has the better season only because he gets more touches.

Alvin has been the best RB this year by a WIDE margin.
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Kamara has NEVER had to deal with that many touches so who knows if he could even hold up. And if he isn't even the starter on his team, HE AIN'T THE BEST RB IN THE LEAGUE .. BY A WIDE MARGIN!
 
#723
#723
TDawg said:
Get over yourself!!!!!

Let me give you a little history lesson here. Back when the 2013 class was being recruited, UGA fans wanted Kamara bad (remember, I told you already I have been watching the kid since high school), especially considering at one point Derrick Henry was committed to UGA then Kirby and Pruitt worked to change that. But that was the year that Shaq Wiggins, Tray Matthews, Reuben Foster and Alvin Kamara were talking about the "Package Deal."

Well, as history has proven, package deals are typically not happening and UGA got the short end of the stick getting Wiggins (overrated) and Tray Matthews (thug and overrated, fit right in at Auburn) while Bama got Reuben and Kamara. When Kamara decided to leave Bama, UGA fans thought, hey we got another shot. Losing him in 2013 didn't hurt as bad having Gurley, Marshall on campus and 2015 Dawg fans had to suck it up losing him to UT knowing they already had Chubb and Michel in the mix. But believe me, we knew he was ultra talented and most wanted to throw him in the mix but the depth chart was something he didn't want to contend with which is a big reason he decided to part with Bama despite being friends with Reuben.

As I said before, you are WAY behind in seeing this kid's talent. He was teammates with Lorenzo Carter at Norcross High and anyone with one good eye and at least a glass one on the other side could see he was going to be a stud. Now, are you the first to call him a future HoFer? Sure, because doing that at this early stage is STUPID. Especially considering every other HoF RB was the bell cow for their team and not splitting carries with another Pro Bowl RB.

As for the others drafted prior, Cook got hurt but he and Fournette both were every down backs getting the majority of the touches and getting used heavily. Both were 4 YPC or better even still. So it isn't like they were a couple of freaking stiffs. Yet to be seen how well Cook comes back from ACL surgery but by this time in 2019 he very well could be back at full strength (he'll be back next year but it usually takes about a year and a half to be back all the way). So the Saints taking Kamara though already having a guy who can carry the full load made that pick a luxury pick and it was a good one.

Also, I don't care if it's you or anyone else, I hate the "this guy is the next insert hall of famer's name here" thing. It's almost disrespectful to the player not letting them just be, in this case, the next Alvin Kamara. Most just say that stuff because it sounds catchy or they don't have the ability to explain why a kid is really good. They don't seem to be able to relate that AK has great shiftiness, better than average vision, top end speed and is very tough. That stuff is what he has had for the last 5 or 6 years and it's just gotten better.

So in closing, NO, YOU WEREN'T THE ONLY ONE THAT SAW HOW GOOD THIS GUY COULD BE but I think the lower pick in the draft was a result of the fact he hasn't been a full-time, every down back since HS.
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And in case anyone isn’t clear, not once did D4H ever advocate for Alvin while he was at Tennessee. As a matter of fact, he would argue with anyone who dared suggest that Alvin should take any touches/playing time away from Jalen Hurd, whom D4H proclaimed a generational RB talent, a first round NFL pick and the hands down best running back in nation. Alvin was never more than an afterthought for the world’s greatest self-proclaimed talent evaluator.

I’ll even go as far to say that D4H didn’t believe one word that he posted about AK being a great NFL player....he just threw him into the mix of players from Tennessee he reflexively said would be all-pros and first ballot-HOFers from last year’s class. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
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KBVol said:
And in case anyone isn’t clear, not once did D4H ever advocate for Alvin while he was at Tennessee. As a matter of fact, he would argue with anyone who dared suggest that Alvin should take any touches/playing time away from Jalen Hurd, whom D4H proclaimed a generational RB talent, a first round NFL pick and the hands down the best running back in nation. Alvin was never more than an afterthought for the world’s greatest self-proclaimed talent evaluator.

I’ll even go as far to say that D4H didn’t believe one word that he posted about AK being a great NFL player....he just threw him into the mix of players from Tennessee he reflexively said would be all-pros and first ballot-HOFers from last year’s class. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Uhhh .. really? Wasn't aware that he dissed AK in that fashion. I knew about his love for Hurd when he compared him to Eddie George .. which the only thing the two are comparable in is size, otherwise, Hurd was nowhere near the back George was or he'd still be a RB and finishing his career with one college.
 
#725
#725
TDawg said:
Uhhh .. really? Wasn't aware that he dissed AK in that fashion. I knew about his love for Hurd when he compared him to Eddie George .. which the only thing the two are comparable in is size, otherwise, Hurd was nowhere near the back George was or he'd still be a RB and finishing his career with one college.
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100% true. All he cared about was Jalen Hurd, calling him the “Calvin Johnson of running backs”, and other similar nonsense. Not once did he ever say what a lot of us did, which was Alvin should’ve gotten no worse than 40-50% of the running back touches, rather than the 10-15-20% that Kamara got when Hurd was on the roster. To the contrary, he pretty advocated that Hurd got as many touches as he could handle and that Kamara got whatever scraps were leftover.
 
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