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#152
#152
TGVol said:
I want CBJ to be successful. Just don't think he will be with this staff (would like to be proven wrong but don't want to sit quietly for 4 years and keep chanting that Butch gets it if there is no evidence of progress - and there has not been any on the field this year - we regressed from last year).
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you keep saying this but I want to see some proof please.

prove that we regressed from last year.

our defense improved from 107th to 80.
rushing yards per game was up.
sacks where down.

and we beat the 11th ranked team.

I am sure that our passing YPG was down but we all expected that considering we lost 90% of our offense.

so show us all some proof how we regressed.

put up or shut up.
 
#153
#153
TGVol said:
You point out some people are complaining about Dooley (after he left)?
Then perhaps you need to get your head out of Butch's ass and do some more research on how he treated Cincy before he left them (since you think he is such a saint and can't do no wrong).


Column: Butch Jones commitment to Cincy was pretense
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Why bring up stuff that bashes our current coach? Opposing fans do that enough without our help.
 
#154
#154
vols4evah said:
you keep saying this but I want to see some proof please.

prove that we regressed from last year.

so show us all some proof how we regressed.

put up or shut up.
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Same 5-7 records.

2012 offense ppg: 36.2
2013 offense ppg: 23.8

2012 defense points allowed: 35.7
2013 defense points allowed: 29

2012 Difference points scored vs points allowed: +0.5
2013 Difference points scored vs points allowed: -5.2

If you look at differentials between first downs gained vs allowed, penalties, and turnovers - Dooley's 2012 team comes out ahead in each of those categories.

Here are the sources for detailed comparison (you are welcome):
2012 Tennessee Volunteers Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com
2013 Tennessee Volunteers Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Numbers don't lie - we clearly regressed as is obvious form most of the stats.
 
#155
#155
Regression or slight improvement, does it really matter when we're talking about a major program that goes 5-7 and loses at home to Vanderbilt? No fan of a major program should ever find that acceptable.
 
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#157
#157
volfan_89 said:
Why bring up stuff that bashes our current coach? Opposing fans do that enough without our help.
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Truth and facts don't matter when they are inconvenient to our current coach? Would it have bothered you if something like this came out about Dooley (last year when he was still our coach)? How about Fulmer?
 
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oregonvol said:
Regression or slight improvement, does it really matter when we're talking about a major program that goes 5-7 and loses at home to Vanderbilt? No fan of a major program should ever find that acceptable.
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Agreed - it should never be acceptable for UT to lose to Vanderbilt or Kentucky in football.
 
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#159
#159
TGVol said:
Same 5-7 records.

2012 offense ppg: 36.2
2013 offense ppg: 23.8

2012 defense points allowed: 35.7
2013 defense points allowed: 29

2012 Difference points scored vs points allowed: +0.5
2013 Difference points scored vs points allowed: -5.2

If you look at differentials between first downs gained vs allowed, penalties, and turnovers - Dooley's 2012 team comes out ahead in each of those categories.

Here are the sources for detailed comparison (you are welcome):
2012 Tennessee Volunteers Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com
2013 Tennessee Volunteers Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Numbers don't lie - we clearly regressed as is obvious form most of the stats.
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Stats don't tell the whole story. Also I expected us to regress some on offense this year lost Bray, Hunter, Patterson, Rivera, Rogers who everybody seems to forget about but was a very good player, plus new coaching staff and system to adjust to.

What did you expect? Many people on here had unrealistic expectations for this year. At best this was a 6-6 season add to if the fact the we played the toughest part of our schedule, which was ridiculous, with our 3rd or 4th strong QB.

Except for a few games against teams we wouldn't beat on our best day we were a play or two away from being 7-5.
 
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#161
So....we can look forward to several years of mediocrity and then CBJ going somewhere else?

I guess mediocrity would be step up at this point but I'll continue to expect excellence yet still support my team no matter what the outcome.
 
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TGVol said:
Same 5-7 records.

2012 offense ppg: 36.2
2013 offense ppg: 23.8

2012 defense points allowed: 35.7
2013 defense points allowed: 29

2012 Difference points scored vs points allowed: +0.5
2013 Difference points scored vs points allowed: -5.2

If you look at differentials between first downs gained vs allowed, penalties, and turnovers - Dooley's 2012 team comes out ahead in each of those categories.

Here are the sources for detailed comparison (you are welcome):
2012 Tennessee Volunteers Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com
2013 Tennessee Volunteers Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Numbers don't lie - we clearly regressed as is obvious form most of the stats.
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Stats really do not back up what you are saying about the defense in 2012 we allowed 4.8 ypc and 188 ypg rushing and in and in 2013 we allowed 5.3 ypc and 207 ypg rushing which is close in numbers but the big difference is the yards per passing per game in 2012 we allowed a average of 12.5 ypc and 282 ypg and in 2013 we allowed 12.7 ypc and 211 ypg receiving.

So for the defense points allowed are down and yards allowed per game are down so I would say that is improvement.
 
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TGVol said:
Agreed - it should never be acceptable for UT to lose to Vanderbilt or Kentucky in football.
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As fans the question is what do we do when we find it unacceptable? Do we become part of the problem or part of the solution?

Acknowledging shortcomings is a healthy process. Noting those shortcomings w/ hyperbole without offering a solution does nothing but help our opponents.
 
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volfan_89 said:
Stats don't tell the whole story.
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Great. First I'm asked to put up or shut up with facts about us regressing, and then when you are presented with facts you prefer to change the subject (because facts do not neatly fit 'Butch gets it' narrative)?
 
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MaTaLa said:
As fans the question is what do we do when we find it unacceptable? Do we become part of the problem or part of the solution?.
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We become part of the problem if we accept solution that does not work or is unlikely to work.
 
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TGVol said:
Great. First I'm asked to put up or shut up with facts about us regressing, and then when you are presented with facts you prefer to change the subject (because facts do not neatly fit 'Butch gets it' narrative)?
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Did you not read my post? The only stats you brought up that showed regression were related to offensive production. I pointed out that it makes sense that our offense would regress some given the circumstances. Go back and read my post then try again.
 
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#167
#167
volfan_89 said:
Did you not read my post? The only stats you brought up that showed regression were related to offensive production. I pointed out that it makes sense that our offense would regress some given the circumstances. Go back and read my then try again.
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No one will address the defense as they improved in almost every stat with almost all the same players so it is a apples to apples comparison. There just is no way to compare this year offense to last years as we lost to much production to the draft.
 
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volfan_89 said:
Did you not read my post? The only stats you brought up that showed regression were related to offensive production. I pointed out that it makes sense that our offense would regress some given the circumstances. Go back and read my post then try again.
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We regressed in offense, penalties, and turnovers. Only slight improvement on defense (smaller than regression on offense). And I did read your post(s) - you keep changing the subject when the facts don't support whatever agenda you are trying to push.
I was asked to put up or shut up regarding whether we regressed or not (it was not specific to defense but overall - and those numbers are clear).
 
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MaTaLa said:
As fans the question is what do we do when we find it unacceptable? Do we become part of the problem or part of the solution?

Acknowledging shortcomings is a healthy process. Noting those shortcomings w/ hyperbole without offering a solution does nothing but help our opponents.
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Simple. We call a failure a failure and we stop making excuses for it. If Dooley's failures had been acknowledged, maybe he doesn't get that contract extension with the huge buyout we are currently paying, after his first season.
 
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TGVol said:
We regressed in offense, penalties, and turnovers. Only slight improvement on defense (smaller than regression on offense). And I did read your post(s) - you keep changing the subject when the facts don't support whatever agenda you are trying to push.
I was asked to put up or shut up regarding whether we regressed or not (it was not specific to defense but overall - and those numbers are clear).
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I do not deny the offense regressed but I expected a drop off in production due to all we lost to the draft.

I said all season that part of the problem for the defense was the offense not keeping them off the field and keeping them in games when they had the chance. The MO and Vandy games come to mind. While I think we still lose the MO the offense had a chance to keep it close and in the Vandy game the defense provided plenty of opportunity for the offense to win the game.
 
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#173
oregonvol said:
Wow. This is the very example of fans so in love with the coaches that they have no standards. Florida fans were not happy about losing to Vanderbilt. Georgia fans were not happy about it either. We, however, have people who are so dead set on worshiping the coach as their lord and savior that they can't admit a single failing.
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I never said anything about loving and praising any coach we have here or saying that I was happy or ok with losing to Vandy.

I will just admit that UT is not as talented or have the depth that most teams in the SEC has including Vandy at this point. Four coaches since the 08 seasons, recruits committing then decommitting. Players transferring, players leaving early for the NFL really hurt us this season. The O would have been a completely different story if the four guys had stayed.

UT biggest thing right now outside of top talent and depth is this. No matter what sport, what age or even how much talent is on a team. A team can not and will not be successful or have championship runs until they learn how to win. The Vandy game is a great example of this. Vandy is going to their third or fourth straight bowl game, (that is monumental for this program) during those years they have learned how to win both blowouts and close games. Vandy players had the know how and had the confidence to come back against UT. Why? Because they have had 3 consective winning seasons. Wins against Austin Peay, Western Kentucky or any other weaker teams are nice and fine but in the end the team doesn't get the experience of playing a tough team and learning what it takes to succeed in the end.

To me the three biggest games this season was Georgia, South Carolina and Vandy. All three are more talented and better than UT at this point. They took Georgia into overtime, beat SC and lost to Vandy on the last drive. The team will learn from these games, they competed and fought hard in all three games. They beat a top 20 team for the first time since Kiffin was here. It is all about learning how to win and how to close out the tight nail biting games, to me UT took a huge step towards that this season.
 
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TGVol said:
Truth and facts don't matter when they are inconvenient to our current coach? Would it have bothered you if something like this came out about Dooley (last year when he was still our coach)? How about Fulmer?
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You seem to revel in any struggles...I encourage/appreciate constructive objectivity...you don't meet that criteria...not asking you to pump sunshine, but maybe put a Dairy Queen swirl on the turf you squeeze every time you post.
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