SCOTUS fails to stop TX abortion law.

No, because there are an awful lot of republicans that won't favor laws like this and are in favor of a woman's right to choose. The Rs are making the same mistake Ds make when they let the far left hold court. The Rs currently back the far right religious wing nuts and it will cost.
I'm in favor of a woman's right to choose within reason.

The left wants wholesale abortion just as much as the right wants no abortion. Let's but Ireland one side is being stubborn while the other side is willing to compromise to do what is ethical. Both are equally entrenched.

If we're taking about this individual law, then I agree, it's not good law. But I'm taking about the issue as a whole. Sorry if there was any confusion.
 
From a dear Christian friend who has experienced what would now allow her and her family to be sued:

"This is hard to write. Forgive the mistakes.

On October 3, 2003 in Austin, Texas, I had a procedure to remove an embryo. There was a LOT of blood pouring into my abdomen, and the pregnancy - as much as I wanted that baby - was killing me.

If the same thing happened to me today, my incredible physician who gave me the past eighteen years would be considered an accomplice to murder for saving my life, as would the nurses, techs, my husband, and the people who watched our kids.

A few months before that, I assisted a mother whose disabled daughter was violently gang raped in her group home. The young girl was traumatized by the resulting pregnancy, and I helped the family find a Planned Parenthood clinic. We got her a safe abortion with sedation to keep her from being further traumatized, and the clinic assisted in finding a prosecutor for the case.

Under today's Texas law, I would now face criminal and civil charges for this very merciful act. Alongside me would be the mother, the clinic doctor and staff, and the young woman herself.

Not only would we face criminal and civil charges, but vigilantes with unlicensed concealed carry handguns are now able to turn women like me into the authorities.

Bounty hunters for hurting women. Not for rapists, but for the women whose bodies have been violated. Held at gunpoint and taken into custody.

How is that even constitutional? Are we going to use the Fugitive Slave Law of 1850 as precedent? And are sane politicians and attorneys just going to let this lie?

Back then, because of the stigma against abortion in my church, I never felt I could tell anyone about the pregnancy loss or the ministry case involving this young lady. Because I had stopped two beating hearts, I was part of the problem. I didn't tell my friends. I didn't tell some family members. We kept it to ourselves.

But every time I would hear some blowhard (always a white male - and generally one who I had to carry in some class) in my seminary talk about liberals and their overwhelming want to abort babies, I shrank further and further.

In my study, I learned God should be a safe, loving God. My colleagues were never loving or safe. I never told them why I couldn't use the stairs for a while. I never told my church about any of this. It was a big secret, and I felt completely invalidated as a human being by their constant judgment of other people.

Which might explain why I'm done with Evangelicalism and its now explicit intention to create a theocracy.

I would help that woman and her daughter again today, regardless of what it cost me.

Compassionate conservatism my ass. This is fascism.

You fight fascism."
 
I agree I dont either, but I do have issues as a Christian man with it being legal, pushed and politicized in another way to divide us, and the selling of the baby parts. I include it with all the other issues I hate to see our government trying to “transform“ America.
Do you have issues with people eating pork or shellfish? What about false idols or women wearing pants? Ever mowed your lawn or done housework on a Sunday?
 
Removing an ectopic pregnancy is medically an abortion procedure. Watch some overzealous chuckle turn in a woman who is already dealing with intense emotional and physical pain have to go to court because of this law.
Nothing good will come from the snitch line.
 
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Yay Texas, finding a way to brutalize innocent women for the crime of being brutalized by Mother Nature.

I do not believe in prophylactic abortion. I do believe it is a medical procedure that is a private matter between a licensed doctor and a consenting patient for the sake of medical and psychological care.
 
The difference in this surgery and others is that surgery is intended to save or improve quality of life.

Abortion does none of this except in a few extreme cases.

Like ectopic pregnancy. Or rape. Or incest. Or...
 
Yay Texas, finding a way to brutalize innocent women for the crime of being brutalized by Mother Nature.

I do not believe in prophylactic abortion. I do believe it is a medical procedure that is a private matter between a licensed doctor and a consenting patient for the sake of medical and psychological care.
Especially the queer ones

 
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Yay Texas, finding a way to brutalize innocent women for the crime of being brutalized by Mother Nature.

I do not believe in prophylactic abortion. I do believe it is a medical procedure that is a private matter between a licensed doctor and a consenting patient for the sake of medical and psychological care.
How many do you view as prophylactic in nature percentage wise?

I would say 80% is a very conservative number.

It's a very difficult and touchy topic. I believe in a person's right to make decisions for themselves but we restrict medical procedures for people all the time. But to mention the ethical components involved. It's not a cut and dry topic, I think the debate pros/cons and evaluation of this procedure is healthy.
 
Like ectopic pregnancy. Or rape. Or incest. Or...
I would consider those good examples. Perhaps "few" was a poor choice if words. I would say small percentage would be better wording.
 
The GOP has used abortion to rally its membership for four decades. You are surprised that as the pendulum swiongs the other way the Dems are going to do the same thing?


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Are you saying the Dems haven't used abortion to rally it's membership? There's a reason it's called a wedge issue, the wedge works in equal force in both directions.


Sure they have, but not nearly to the same degree as has the GOP. Its been a centerpiece of every GOP presidential candidate to get into office so as to nominate anti-abortion judges to the Supreme Court or lower courts. It has been a huge part of their strategy.

Not saying the Dems have not also promoted the issue from the other side, but harder to rally when you are trying to maintain status quo than when you are trying to change it.
 
Like ectopic pregnancy. Or rape. Or incest. Or...
Then abortion when the mother's life is in confirmed danger, rape and incest are the only abortions allowed. All require a doctor's referral and two also require a police report. All others are banned. Good?
 
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The GOP has used abortion to rally its membership for four decades. You are surprised that as the pendulum swiongs the other way the Dems are going to do the same thing?


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Sure they have, but not nearly to the same degree as has the GOP. Its been a centerpiece of every GOP presidential candidate to get into office so as to nominate anti-abortion judges to the Supreme Court or lower courts. It has been a huge part of their strategy.

Not saying the Dems have not also promoted the issue from the other side, but harder to rally when you are trying to maintain status quo than when you are trying to change it.
You may be right, but I think it's that most people are conflicted with abortion as birth control. There is a real ethical factor many are not comfortable with, even on the left.
 
Which amendment is your right to breathe?
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Take that back. 14th amendment
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
 
Then abortion when the mother's life is in confirmed danger, rape and incest are the only abortions allowed. All require a doctor's referral and two also require a police report. All others are banned. Good?
Actually, no...It's still policing women's bodies, and presenting potential unwanted health and life issues.
 
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Like death to another human? Your existence presents potential unwanted health and life issues for me as you may carry covid. Can I kill you?
Some might say, a packet of cells does not a human make...And no, you may not kill me, but thanks for asking.
 

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