SCOTUS fails to stop TX abortion law.

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volfanhill said:
It was dumb to say. A Governor should at least be smart enough politically to not make that comment. If he's smart all he talks about is the sanctity of life. It's the only winning argument he's got, and the only one, many people think he needs.
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Eh. There are better points to focus on but he's not saying what that headline is saying he said.

People are mocking the goal of eliminating it (shouldn't that be an obvious goal of everyone?). It's honestly because folks are reading the headline and think that he went out there like Howard Dean "WE'RE GONNA GET RID OF MEAN PEOPLE. WE'RE GONNA GET RID OF RAPISTS BYAAAHH"

When all he is doing is making a goal to eliminate it with more push on the justice side as a deterrent.
 
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utvols88 said:
Eh. There are better points to focus on but he's not saying what that headline is saying he said.

People are mocking the goal of eliminating it (shouldn't that be an obvious goal of everyone?). It's honestly because folks are reading the headline and think that he went out there like Howard Dean "WE'RE GONNA GET RID OF MEAN PEOPLE. WE'RE GONNA GET RID OF RAPISTS BYAAAHH"

When all he is doing is making a goal to eliminate it with more push on the justice side as a deterrent.
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The word eliminate should have never come out of his mouth. He stepped in it. Knows he stepped in it. And I am sure he wishes that he said something else. He's not dumb. He got spun exactly how in retrospect he knows it would get spun. Unforced error.
 
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utvols88 said:
Theoretically, if a woman is raped, she should be seeking police and medical intervention and would know within the 6 week threshold of the law.
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What about the case of the 18 year old in Brownsville that was featured on CNN recently, who sustained sexual abuse at the hands of her drug-addicted, loser of a stepfather over a number of years, but was too scared to tell her mom or the police about it until she had moved away from home... and then discovered she was 14 weeks pregnant? This girl also said that her stepfather was the only man she had ever had sex with - which is credible because she is a lesbian (and looks it). That really happened and she had an abortion two years ago. She would be breaking the law to do it now.

Regardless of where you come down on this... and I wish that these kind of exceptions didn't have to exist, but we live in a sick world with abusive people. The rape/incest exception needs to be there. Gov. Abbott's "We will eliminate rape in Texas," statement is one of the most arrogantly delusional political pledges I've ever heard. Damn, that was dumb.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
What about the case of the 18 year old in Brownsville that was featured on CNN recently, who sustained sexual abuse at the hands of her drug-addicted, loser of a stepfather over a number of years, but was too scared to tell her mom or the police about it until she had moved away from home... and then discovered she was 14 weeks pregnant? This girl also said that her stepfather was the only man she had ever had sex with - which is credible because she is a lesbian (and looks it). That really happened and she had an abortion two years ago. She would be breaking the law to do it now.

Regardless of where you come down on this... and I wish that these kind of exceptions didn't have to exist, but we live in a sick world with abusive people. The rape/incest exception needs to be there. Gov. Abbott's "We will eliminate rape in Texas," statement is one of the most arrogantly delusional political pledges I've ever heard. Damn, that was dumb.
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He didn't pledge to directly eliminate it. You're still reading a headline and running with it.
 
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volfanhill said:
The word eliminate should have never come out of his mouth. He stepped in it. Knows he stepped in it. And I am sure he wishes that he said something else. He's not dumb. He got spun exactly how in retrospect he knows it would get spun. Unforced error.
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I agree with you on this one Abbott is a smarter politician than that. Bad messaging. He isn’t going to change what he’s doing but it was bad messaging
 
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utvols88 said:
And Texas will work tirelessly to make sure that we eliminate all rapists from the streets of Texas
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At most, the headline made a bunny hop. He said a stupid thing, because he knows that not having a rape exception won't be popular with everyone on the pro-life side. I know of people who are staunchly pro-life, but still think that rape exceptions should be made.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
At most, the headline made a bunny hop. He said a stupid thing, because he knows that not having a rape exception won't be popular with everyone on the pro-life side. I know of people who are staunchly pro-life, but still think that rape exceptions should be made.
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Why'd you cut half of the sentence?
 
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utvols88 said:
"And Texas will work tirelessly to make sure that we eliminate all rapists from the streets of Texas by aggressively going out and arresting them and prosecuting them and getting them off the streets."
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The whole sentence doesn't change anything. He didn't choose his words carefully. He was being more forceful than what you seem to want to believe.

"to make sure" ... "eliminate all"

Abbott was speaking in absolutes. The only qualifier was his use of "work".
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Even the idiots on "The Five" over on Fox are laughing at him for this. I am partisan, but you don't have to be a liberal to think what Abbott said was dumb.
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Him bringing up rape is a losing argument. That's where it's stupid. The argument against him that he said he's going to eliminate is also stupid because that's not what he said. You don't have to cut context to say he had a dumb argument.
 
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utvols88 said:
Him bringing up rape is a losing argument. That's where it's stupid. The argument against him that he said he's going to eliminate is also stupid because that's not what he said. You don't have to cut context to say he had a dumb argument.
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Gov. Abbott said that Texas would work tirelessly to make sure that all rapists were eliminated from the streets of Texas through aggressive police work and prosecution. This was provided as his reason for why there shouldn't be concern over the absence of a rape exception in the latest abortion restriction bill signed into law in Texas. That has all the necessary context, and it was a very dumb thing to say.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Gov. Abbott said that Texas would work tirelessly to make sure that all rapists were eliminated from the streets of Texas through aggressive police work and prosecution. This was provided as his reason for why there shouldn't be concern over the absence of a rape exception in the latest abortion restriction bill signed into law in Texas. That has all the necessary context, and it was a very dumb thing to say.
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The only way to prevent a bad rapist is with a good rapist.
 
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AshG said:
One must be careful to not map their own personal belief system or lifestyle on others.

I know several women who were not allowed to take birth control pills and their husbands refused to wear condoms. The wife did not want more children, the husband did. The women would not refuse sex for fear of physical or emotional abuse and were not financially or spiritually able to leave the marriages.

It's not so simple. We have to stop pretending that everything is so damn simple.
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How does a grown married man such as you know such a private detail of some many other women’s lives?
 
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NEO said:
How does a grown married man such as you know such a private detail of some many other women’s lives?
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Because I listen. Because many women crave being heard by a man who is willing to put himself on the line to do something about it. Because I am safe. Because I care.
 
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FNC’s Turley: The Threat to Roe vs. Wade Isn’t Coming from Texas– ‘It’s Coming from Mississippi’

Wednesday on FNC’s “Fox & Friends,” George Washington University Law School professor Jonathan Turley addressed complaints from Democrats who claim the new Texas abortion law, which was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court, would mean an end to Roe vs. Wade.

Turley argued that the complaints about Texas are misguided because the actual threat to Roe vs. Wade comes from Dobbs vs. Jackson in Mississippi. According to the legal analyst, the Dobbs case has Roe vs. Wade “written all over it.”

FNC's Turley: The Threat to Roe vs. Wade Isn't Coming from Texas-- 'It's Coming from Mississippi'
 
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Biden administration plans to SUE Texas over new law banning abortions after six weeks after Catholic president called statute 'almost un-American'

The Biden administration is reportedly planning to sue the state of Texas over a new law that bans most abortions.

The Justice Department could file the lawsuit as soon as Thursday, two sources familiar with the matter told the Wall Street Journal.

Biden administration is planning to SUE Texas over new law banning abortions after six weeks | Daily Mail Online
 
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