SEC coaching shake up coming?

[rickyyrs]

No not RB but the Indiana job is already open and some rumors out of Kansas that Self might be thinking about retiring

We have the Untouchables like Barnes, Pearl, Oats, Golden Calipari, Pope and Byington. Plus I doubt Buzz Williams would leave A&M.

So that leaves 3; Jans at MSU, Beard at Ole Miss and Dennis Gates at Mizzou as Prime candidates to jump.

Jans has done a remarkable job at the toughest place to win in the SEC. Plus he's not even the #1 school in the poorest and dumbest state in the country. Which makes his sweep of Ole Piss even more remarkable.

Beard would be the slam dunk for any school almost if he just didnt have this habit of beating up his girl friend. Still Kansas has shown by keeping Self after his scandal that character and integrity dont matter much in Lawrence.

Gates is having a remarkable season after the disaster that was last year. Plus he checks the Diversity box unlike the others.

Plus IMHO if we made a run like to the FF or EE I think RB would consider retiring to the North Carolina mountains.

Looks like an interesting off-season coming up with NIL and the Portal effect.

Another big time coaching job might be open before too long. I think N. Carolina will not put up with them not being a top team. Carolina is like 15 - 11.

 

[Orange-U-Glad]

But you have to live in a small town in Alabama.

But, it the loveliest village on the Plains.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Pearl’s age is a different matter, as is his heart attack prone toad physique. No one knows whether he would or wouldn’t leave. As for winning a championship, I’m not sure his odds will ever be any better than this year. What if he wins? He could walk into one of the most prestigious historically important programs as the top paid coach in the country. Will he? Who TF knows. His best coaching attribute has always been his ability to get kids to follow him. He’s not the world’s best X’s and O’s coach by any stretch. It’s also a stretch to think the Big Ten/Indiana would want him. I can only say, that any offer to leave central Alabama is a good offer.

You don't think his odds in a first year at Indiana would be necessarily worse than his odds this year? That's super surprising given he is #1 right now and was preseason number #10 iirc .
He don't win it this year I guarantee he is top 10
ten preseason next year. Goes to Indiana and he's starting from scratch.

If he wins a Natty this year he's got absolutely nothing to prove. He could just retire.
If he wants to keep coaching why go to a school outside the SEC? The SEC is dominating and doesn't look to be slowing down.
What's better than a Natty for your legacy? I'll tell you what is better than that, Back to back Natty's.
Winning it at two different schools would be a big accomplishment as well, but you talking probably 3 years min. before he could do that at Illinois.
How many times you hear of 1st and 2nd year coaches of a program getting to a final 4 and/or winning a Natty?
That rarely ever happens and in modern times I can't remember it happening where someone didn't take over an already successful program.

Lastly, you keep acting like Indiana is some great place to live. Personally, I'd rather live in the South. Indiana may throw some money at Pearl. I don't doubt that for a second. He ain't taking it, tho. Mark this post or take a screenshot.
Pearl ain't leaving Auburn to raise Indiana from the dead.

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

You don't think his odds in a first year at Indiana would be necessarily worse than his odds this year? That's super surprising given he is #1 right now and was preseason number #10 iirc .
He don't win it this year I guarantee he is top 10
ten preseason next year. Goes to Indiana and he's starting from scratch.

If he wins a Natty this year he's got absolutely nothing to prove. He could just retire.
If he wants to keep coaching why go to a school outside the SEC? The SEC is dominating and doesn't look to be slowing down.
What's better than a Natty for your legacy? I'll tell you what is better than that, Back to back Natty's.
Winning it at two different schools would be a big accomplishment as well, but you talking probably 3 years min. before he could do that at Illinois.
How many times you hear of 1st and 2nd year coaches of a program getting to a final 4 and/or winning a Natty?
That rarely ever happens and in modern times I can't remember it happening where someone didn't take over an already successful program.

Lastly, you keep acting like Indiana is some great place to live. Personally, I'd rather live in the South. Indiana may throw some money at Pearl. I don't doubt that for a second. He ain't taking it, tho. Mark this post or take a screenshot.
Pearl ain't leaving Auburn to raise Indiana from the dead.

You obviously have endless time on your hands and a misguided belief that you have something worth sharing. Let me disabuse you of that. You made a bunch of nonsense conclusions here that have nothing to do with anything I said. He may or may not get offered the IU job. He may or may not take it. I didn’t say they’ll offer him the job and I didn’t say he’d take it. You’re the only one in this thread who has made a claim about what will or won’t happen. Odds are he won’t be offered the job, frankly. If he is offered it, no one knows what he’ll do. I didn’t say anything about the odds of him winning a national championship in his first year. I said he could be successful there soon. The odds of a coach winning a national championship EVER are long. He hasn’t won one yet, by the way. If Indiana offers him a job, and he takes it, he can be successful based on the history of the program and the support of the donors. Full stop. I also didn’t “act” like Indiana is a “great place”. I said Auburn is a depressing dump in the middle of nothing. That is irrefutable. It isn’t me judging “The South”, Nathan Bedford Pyle, it’s a correct observation about one of the most depressing college towns on earth. I don’t need to “mark your post”. There’s nothing interesting, original or accurate in it.

 

[NEO]

Pearl made it known years ago that Indiana would be his dream job if ever the opportunity arose.
So, there's that...

Pearl would bring Indiana back to Knight era levels. It’s gonna take someone with a very vibrant personality to make that school a destination again.

 

[NEO]

You don't think his odds in a first year at Indiana would be necessarily worse than his odds this year? That's super surprising given he is #1 right now and was preseason number #10 iirc .
He don't win it this year I guarantee he is top 10
ten preseason next year. Goes to Indiana and he's starting from scratch.

If he wins a Natty this year he's got absolutely nothing to prove. He could just retire.
If he wants to keep coaching why go to a school outside the SEC? The SEC is dominating and doesn't look to be slowing down.
What's better than a Natty for your legacy? I'll tell you what is better than that, Back to back Natty's.
Winning it at two different schools would be a big accomplishment as well, but you talking probably 3 years min. before he could do that at Illinois.
How many times you hear of 1st and 2nd year coaches of a program getting to a final 4 and/or winning a Natty?
That rarely ever happens and in modern times I can't remember it happening where someone didn't take over an already successful program.

Lastly, you keep acting like Indiana is some great place to live. Personally, I'd rather live in the South. Indiana may throw some money at Pearl. I don't doubt that for a second. He ain't taking it, tho. Mark this post or take a screenshot.
Pearl ain't leaving Auburn to raise Indiana from the dead.

Start from scratch? In this era he would bring his best guys with him and Indiana boosters would pay their NIL.

 

[Hoosier_Vol]

First off I'm not sure anyone is "untouchable" in this Era. Bruce would be a moron to leave Auburn for IU. Indiana is an average job at best for the past 20 plus years,

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

You obviously have endless time on your hands and a misguided belief that you have something worth sharing. Let me disabuse you of that. You made a bunch of nonsense conclusions here that have nothing to do with anything I said. He may or may not get offered the IU job. He may or may not take it. I didn’t say they’ll offer him the job and I didn’t say he’d take it. You’re the only one in this thread who has made a claim about what will or won’t happen. Odds are he won’t be offered the job, frankly. If he is offered it, no one knows what he’ll do. I didn’t say anything about the odds of him winning a national championship in his first year. I said he could be successful there soon. The odds of a coach winning a national championship EVER are long. He hasn’t won one yet, by the way. If Indiana offers him a job, and he takes it, he can be successful based on the history of the program and the support of the donors. Full stop. I also didn’t “act” like Indiana is a “great place”. I said Auburn is a depressing dump in the middle of nothing. That is irrefutable. It isn’t me judging “The South”, Nathan Bedford Pyle, it’s a correct observation about one of the most depressing college towns on earth. I don’t need to “mark your post”. There’s nothing interesting, original or accurate in it.

Wow, so much trigger in there.
In the beginning of the thread we were talking about the potential for Pearl to necessarily go to Indiana. Yes, I'm the one who brought up Pearl wouldn't go if offered. You subsequently happened to chime in amongst my back in forth with a couple other posters.
I intially replied to this:

Pearl made it known years ago that Indiana would be his dream job if ever the opportunity arose.
So, there's that...

A post that suggests if offered the opportunity to coach there Pearl would consider Indiana.


This reply was made in response:

He said it was his dream job, and indicated he felt that back when he was early in his coaching career, so probably around when he was here. That was 15-20 years ago. I doubt it's his dream job anymore. He is set at Auburn and probably wants to work out that his silver spoon son gets the job when he hangs it up because that's the only way Stevie P is getting a HC gig.

I made this reply opining to the suggestion Pearl would consider the the Indiana job if the opportunity presented itself:

He gets a Natty at Auburn and he would never leave. He'd be a made man at that point. He'll have his legacy and all the money he could for as far as coaching salary.
It goes South at Auburn after that, he retires.

You then replied to my reply of the suggestion that Pearl would consider Indiana if the opportunity was presented to him aka was offered the job:

Whether he wins or not, he can name his price and not live in a cow pasture any longer.

At this point you didn't necessarily say you were talking about Indiana, but we necessarily were, so when you jumped in our back and forth it wasn't a crazy assumption to think you were talking about (at least the possibility of ) him leaving the "cow pasture" for Indiana.

Why do I feel this way?
Because I obviously I wasn't the only one to think that. It's not a coincidence you received this reply to your "cow pasture" post:

There are more people in Auburn than Bloomington. Just saying

Bloomington is in Indiana last time I checked.
All my subsequent reply posts were made with this assumption because that was the premise of my original reply that came before any you made.
Capiche?

As far as the odds, no matter what you necessarily thought about them if he was to go to Indiana they have to be considered.
When you brushed off my point, considering what you wrote in the rest of your post I could only assume you thought his odds were effectively the same. It sure did seem like that's what you meant , but If that's not the case, it's not the case. I will be charitable and apologize there.

Frankly, I think it's weird and condensing to the folks that happen to live in Auburn to say "Auburn is a dump". That's subjective and and certainly not "irrefutable ". Just because you happen to think it is a " dump" doesn't make it necessarily so. I'm sure it has its bad places and good places like Indiana and a lot of places.
Pearl has money, I'm sure he resides in a nice neighborhood in Auburn.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Start from scratch? In this era he would bring his best guys with him and Indiana boosters would pay their NIL.

How is that working out for Coach Cal?
Sure does seem like he is starting back from the bottom.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

First off I'm not sure anyone is "untouchable" in this Era. Bruce would be a moron to leave Auburn for IU. Indiana is an average job at best for the past 20 plus years,

I agree.

 

[VolCalls]

How is that working out for Coach Cal?
Sure does seem like he is starting back from the bottom.

For every Cal there’s a Pat Kelsey. I believe Pearl would win right away wherever he may go.

 

[SoilVol]

Auburn is a much nicer place to live than Bloomington. Unless you hate heat and love long winters and snow and a midwestern setting.

In my line of work I know dozens of people who live in or lived in Auburn. I've never heard a single bad thing said about living there, going there, or working there. There's only a couple of SEC locations that I've gotten the same vibe about. The rest being mixed or mostly negative.

 

[Special Ed]

Surely, both Oats and Pearl are going to be on North Carolina's radar when they decide they can't stand anymore of the Hubert show.
They've got deep enough pockets to throw Fort Knox at any coach their little Tar Heel hearts desire. Money talks.

 

[Col_Cathcart]

Not that many. They're about the same size

True. I think it was 82k vs 78k when I checked yesterday. The point I was making was that it’s not like he would be leaving a “cow pasture” for some bustling metropolis. I will concede that corn smells better than cows though

 

[BigOrangeNC]

Imagine Kansas, Carolina and Indiana all trying to hire a HC. Flight tracker sites would crash.

 

[VolCalls]

Auburn is a much nicer place to live than Bloomington. Unless you hate heat and love long winters and snow and a midwestern setting.

In my line of work I know dozens of people who live in or lived in Auburn. I've never heard a single bad thing said about living there, going there, or working there. There's only a couple of SEC locations that I've gotten the same vibe about. The rest being mixed or mostly negative.

I’ve spent a lot of time in Bloomington and found it to be very charming, like most big college towns. To each their own.

All of us must be really bored with no midweek game. We’re debating the livability of two out of state college towns for a coach at one school who isn’t a candidate for a job at the other.

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

Auburn is a much nicer place to live than Bloomington. Unless you hate heat and love long winters and snow and a midwestern setting.

In my line of work I know dozens of people who live in or lived in Auburn. I've never heard a single bad thing said about living there, going there, or working there. There's only a couple of SEC locations that I've gotten the same vibe about. The rest being mixed or mostly negative.

It’s the Paris of Central Alabama.

 

[SoilVol]

It’s the Paris of Central Alabama.

I chuckled

 

[kckempf]

Auburn is a much nicer place to live than Bloomington. Unless you hate heat and love long winters and snow and a midwestern setting.

In my line of work I know dozens of people who live in or lived in Auburn. I've never heard a single bad thing said about living there, going there, or working there. There's only a couple of SEC locations that I've gotten the same vibe about. The rest being mixed or mostly negative.

Southern Indiana isn't very snowy, and basketball coaches have no free time in the winter anyway. Bruce of course is already familiar with the weather in southern Indiana and how it compares favorably to Milwaukee, for instance.

 

[SoilVol]

Southern Indiana isn't very snowy, and basketball coaches have no free time in the winter anyway. Bruce of course is already familiar with the weather in southern Indiana and how it compares favorably to Milwaukee, for instance.

I have a good friend from Vincennes who went to IU. Said Bloomington is a nice town but winters are miserable and depressing. Which is why he moved.

I do think this whole convo is pretty funny and lighthearted. Clearly a slow time of year lol

 

[backdoorcutvol]

Is Indiana really even a blue blood anymore?
I mean, that prestige is not what it used to be.
NIL and portal changing everything.

It’s lost it’s luster, but Pearl could bring it back.

 

[VolCalls]

Southern Indiana isn't very snowy, and basketball coaches have no free time in the winter anyway. Bruce of course is already familiar with the weather in southern Indiana and how it compares favorably to Milwaukee, for instance.

Bloomington is an hour from Indianapolis and more central Indiana than southern. The IU campus covered in snow is one of the prettiest sights I've ever seen.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

For every Cal there’s a Pat Kelsey. I believe Pearl would win right away wherever he may go.

For every coach that flames out in year one of coaching at a new school there is another in year one that takes a team to the final four or a Natty?
Yeah, No.

BTW, Pat Kesley is 0-4 in attempting to get past the first round. I wouldn't count on him necessarily making a splash come March.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Auburn is a much nicer place to live than Bloomington. Unless you hate heat and love long winters and snow and a midwestern setting.

In my line of work I know dozens of people who live in or lived in Auburn. I've never heard a single bad thing said about living there, going there, or working there. There's only a couple of SEC locations that I've gotten the same vibe about. The rest being mixed or mostly negative.

How can that be true?
It's proven irrefutable fact Auburn is dump and a cow pasture. Do your research, man.

 

[VolCalls]

For every coach that flames out in year one of coaching at a new school there is another in year one that takes a team to the final for or a Natty?
Yeah, No.

Pat Kesley is 0-4 in attempting to get past the first round. I wouldn't count on him necessarily making a splash come March.

You said "start from scratch." I'll remind you Arkansas was #16 in the preseason poll - I wouldn't call that "starting at the bottom" rather than an indictment of Cal's coaching ability. By the way, his Kentucky teams were bounced in the first round two of the last three seasons.

Ten first-year coaches have taken teams to the Final Four. We'll see what Kelsey does in the tournament this year, and Pearl has made it out of the first weekend only once in the last 14 years. Not sure what your point is but there isn't enough of a sample size in the new NIL world to say it can or can't be done.