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[lacrossepro70]

Divisiveness didn’t suddenly start under Trump. I’m not saying he isn’t driving it home. He is but he’s just capitalizing on what was already in place. You have some fair points but you also have some misconceptions about the Dems from what I see. No one is changing minds on here so it matters not. You’re voting your way and I’m voting mine no matter what anyone says on here.

Well that seems rather hopeless. Which is pretty much why I ain't voting for that POS

 

[lacrossepro70]

Divisiveness didn’t suddenly start under Trump. I’m not saying he isn’t driving it home. He is but he’s just capitalizing on what was already in place. You have some fair points but you also have some misconceptions about the Dems from what I see. No one is changing minds on here so it matters not. You’re voting your way and I’m voting mine no matter what anyone says on here.

And yeah, there's a long conversation to be had in there about 24 hour news and reality TV. I'm sure we'd agree on that. Don't know how to fix it but this ain't it.

 

[C-south]

Well that seems rather hopeless. Which is pretty much why I ain't voting for that POS

Good thing you’re in Cali.

 

[lacrossepro70]

Good thing you’re in Cali.

 

[MG1968]

Well that seems rather hopeless. Which is pretty much why I ain't voting for that POS

Hopeless is voting for an addle-brained buffoon like Biden because you think he’s a better alternative to the addle-brained buffoon already in the White House.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Poor communicator is the understatment of the year.

Yep. That poor communicator won the first political office for which he ran. He may very well poorly communicate himself into a second term.

But you keep the faith up, bro.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Useless? Hmmm yeah dunno about that one

I think you just made everyone's point.

 

[luthervol]

And what was Pelosi doing in Feb? What did Fauci say back at this time? Come on Luther. You can do better than this.

The question was "what could he have done differently".
I'm just giving some answers.
Also, you've never heard me say Pelosi or Fauci did a good job early on, but both were much quicker to acknowledge the error of their position and change what they were saying and doing.
That may be one of Trump's top 300 faults: absolute refusal to ever admit he was wrong but a willingness to twist and lie in any way possible to prove his original position was correct.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

That may be one of Trump's top 300 faults: absolute refusal to ever admit he was wrong but a willingness to twist and lie in any way possible to prove his original position was correct.

This ^^^^^^

 

[NCFisher]

Local governments stepped in to fill the void left by the Trump Administration. Remember that whole Pandemic planning part of the budget that Trump cut after he came into office? How'd that work out?

Luckily, it has galvanized people to get involved in local government. Sad that it took an orange baffoon to make it happen.

It’s sad that you can get so much wrong in such little space. It’s as though you’re stuck in the false narrative news cycle of seven months ago.
Trump did not cut the CDC budget. Trump sought cuts at the CDC but those were turned down by Congress. Obama requested multiple cuts to CDC in various years. As evidenced by their abysmal performance from mid January on, which left the US with no test for the virus until late March, perhaps their budget should have been cut; they grossly under performed and were blasted by the FDA inspector who stated that if they were a private laboratory he would shut their testing development lab down.

The ‘experts’ the left wailed Trump should listen to? He did, throughout as Fauci and Birx have attested, and they told us right into late March the flu was a bigger concern and there was no need to wear masks. “How did that turn out?”

So go ahead and tell me how he got rid of the pandemic team so I can cut your legs from under you on that, too.

We already know what a Biden response would look like since he did not reverse course on Trumps China travel ban until early April. In the interim seven weeks from that Jan ban, he and Dems were labeling it racist and xenophobic fear-mongering as they were too busy with a sham impeachment and telling people “come on down to China town! The virus is fine!” In fact, the WHO (another group of ‘experts’ also adored by the left) also opposed travel and trade bans.

The ‘experts have had their day, some failing miserably, others failing hindsight by what was not known. What is NOT an option is going backwards and shutting down again, as Biden as promised to do if the would-be experts decree it. That is to flirt with another Great Depression. So, contrary to another post in which you asserted the US has opened too soon, we may have opened too late. We should open fully, now, and avert the greatest economic calamity in nearly a century.

 

[NCFisher]

Instead of saying this on Feb. 10th:
“Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away. I hope that’s true. But we’re doing great in our country. China, I spoke with President Xi, and they’re working very, very hard. And I think it’s going to all work out fine.”

— Trump, at a campaign rally in Manchester, N.H.

He should have said this:
"There are a lot of unknowns. This has the potential of being a very serious problem. Until we know more, it would be wise to take all reasonable precautions such as wearing masks, socially distancing, avoiding larger gatherings, etc.."

That’s pure nonsense. On Feb 10, we literally had a handful of cases and experts Fauci etall were telling us it was senseless for Americans to be wearing masks and that seasonal flu was the real concern. And THEY told us this well into late MARCH. Even as stated, along with the WHO, they believed data from China.

The comment is acknowledging the typical pathology of corona viruses; isn’t isn’t something he pulled out of thin air.

That is the contextual backdrop against which to consider Trumps actions. You cannot incriminate him on one hand, and on the other divorce him from following the very experts’ advice you said he should. I’ve posted the timelines between his messaging and the ‘experts’ multiple times during those months. They are the same; Fauci and Birx have attested to this. How many times do the experts have to admonish you and media for the false meme? At this point it isn’t ignorance, but simply lying.

 

[luthervol]

That’s pure nonsense. On Feb 10, we literally had a handful of cases and experts Fauci teal were telling us it was senseless for Americans to be wearing masks and that seasonal flu was the real concern. And THEY told us this well into late MARCH. Even as stated, along with the WHO, they believed data from China.

The comment is acknowledging the typical pathology of corona viruses; isn’t isn’t something he pulled out of thin air.

That is the contextual backdrop against which to consider Trumps actions. You cannot incriminate him on one hand, and on the other divorce him from following the very experts’ advice you said he should. I’ve posted the timelines between his messaging and the ‘experts’ multiple times during those months. They are the same; Fauci and Birx have attested to this. How many times do the experts have to admonish you and media for the false meme? At this point it isn’t ignorance, but simply lying.

Timeline: What Trump Has Said And Done About The Coronavirus

 

[Purple Tiger]

You watch Don Lemon?

Don Lemon isn't being paid to run the country.

 

[utvolpj]

Timeline: What Trump Has Said And Done About The Coronavirus

From the leader of the Dem party on Feb 24th

But also to say to everyone: we should come to Chinatown. Precautions have been taken by our city. We know that there is concern surrounding tourism, traveling all throughout the world, but we think it’s very safe to be in Chinatown and hope that others will come.

It’s lovely here. The food is delicious, the shops are prospering, the parade was great. Walking tours continue. Please come and visit and enjoy Chinatown.

I have confidence in Dr. Fauci at the National Institutes of Health, who has even further confidence in what we’re doing.

So, again, this fear is – I think – unwarranted in light of the precautions that are being taken here in the United States.

So, that’s why we want people to come to Chinatown. Don’t be afraid. Enjoy it all. It’s beautiful and there are some good bargains here now, so it’s a good time to come.

And Trump should have done better on Feb 10th?

 

[luthervol]

And Trump should have done better on Feb 10th?

The question was "what could have been done differently by Trump".
I answered the question.
If someone asks the question "what could have been done differently by Pelosi", I'll answer that question.

 

[ajvol01]

Don Lemon isn't being paid to run the country.

Neither is Trump. He donates every cent of his salary.

 

[NCFisher]

I won't watch the NBA. There are places I won't shop. I am torn between supporting NFL teams that do not allow their players to kneel and just avoiding it altogether.

I completely respect the right of those businesses to act in accordance with their values.... just like a baker has a right not to violate their religious principles and make a cake for a gay wedding.

It is our RIGHT and RESPONSIBILITY to do business with companies that promote the values that we believe will make a better future for all of us.

I’m done with any organization or entity which knowingly or unwittingly gives credence to the Marxists that is the Black Lives Matter movement. College football had better tread lightly. BLM has an entirely anti-American, socialist, anti-Semitic, anti-religious basis. Ignorance is no excuse and as CFB is predominately comprised of public schools - who are government agents precluded from political activism on the taxpayers dime - they’d better be circumspect avoiding association with BLM.

Ceding educational control to leftism is the single-most reason we are at this point. I can take a whizz on UT football and never watch or fund it again if forced to chose between this country and and violent Marxists. And they’re always violent, every time and every one of them.

In fact, that is the black humor in this (no pun); the idiotic economic ramblings - which were outdated, disjointed agrarian idiocy even at the time Marx and Engels popularized them - are the foundation of the movement. That is, old dead racist and anti-semitic white guys are still issuing marching orders to POC.

You can’t run some people off the plantation even with a stick.

 

[Sandman 423]

The question was "what could he have done differently".
I'm just giving some answers.
Also, you've never heard me say Pelosi or Fauci did a good job early on, but both were much quicker to acknowledge the error of their position and change what they were saying and doing.
That may be one of Trump's top 300 faults: absolute refusal to ever admit he was wrong but a willingness to twist and lie in any way possible to prove his original position was correct.

What did you put in the google box that you found where Pelosi ever acknowledged the error of her position?

 

[utvolpj]

The question was "what could have been done differently by Trump".
I answered the question.
If someone asks the question "what could have been done differently by Pelosi", I'll answer that question.

She is speaking 2 weeks after given all the same info. You want him to have said to avoid crowds on feb 10 while she was encouraging them on feb 24. Your ridiculous post was based on info that came much later yet Trump should have been able to see into the future. Hell, why didn't he warn us in 2019 that this was coming? Surely that's a failure too right?

 

[NCFisher]

Timeline: What Trump Has Said And Done About The Coronavirus

That isn’t a response but merely a cutting and pasting. Again I have painstakingly laid out dates and timelines of what Fauci Birx CDC and FDA were saying and how that aligns directly with Trumps messaging. Further we have these people confirming that Trump has listened to and been responsive to them throughout. We have their public statements which corroborate that.

i’ll make this simple for you; did Fauci Birx and the surgeon general tell us for months that wearing masks were useless? That answer is yes. Even into late March were Fauci and Birx telling us the American public, that the seasonal flu was a bigger concern than the virus? That answer is yes. Even into April did Fauci and Birx tell us they believed the data from China? That answer is also yes.
Did the experts at the world health organization tell us that China was doing an exemplary job, a model for the world, even as China was lying to the world and had concealed the outbreak for weeks? And did the world health organization also oppose travel bans when Trump issued hours on January 31? The answer to those questions are also yes.

These questions and answers make moot any report by any ‘news’ agency that does not acknowledge the symmetry of Trumps message and our own ‘experts’.

Again, how many times do these very experts have to call out the media on this false meme before you stop parroting it?

 

[luthervol]

That isn’t a response but merely a cutting and pasting. Again I have painstakingly laid out dates and timelines of what Fauci Birx CDC and FDA were saying and how that aligns directly with Trumps messaging. Further we have these people confirming that Trump has listened to and been responsive to them throughout. We have their public statements which corroborate that.

i’ll make this simple for you; did Fauci Birx and the surgeon general tell us for months that wearing masks were useless? That answer is yes. Even into late March were Fauci and Birx telling us the American public, that the seasonal flu was a bigger concern than the virus? That answer is yes. Even into April did Fauci and Birx tell us they believed the data from China? That answer is also yes.
Did the experts at the world health organization tell us that China was doing an exemplary job, a model for the world, even as China was lying to the world and had concealed the outbreak for weeks? And did the world health organization also oppose travel bans when Trump issued hours on January 31? The answer to those questions are also yes.

These questions and answers make moot any report by any ‘news’ agency that does not acknowledge the symmetry of Trumps message and our own ‘experts’.

Again, how many times do these very experts have to call out the media on this false meme before you stop parroting it?

April 3rd
The CDC recommends that Americans wear simple cloth masks when going out in public. The recomendation emphasizes the need to do it in areas with extensive community transmission of the coronavirus. NPR reported this was a concession to White House officials, who didn’t want it to be nationwide. (Source)

 

[NCFisher]

The CDC recommends that Americans wear simple cloth masks when going out in public. The recomendation emphasizes the need to do it in areas with extensive community transmission of the coronavirus. NPR reported this was a concession to White House officials, who didn’t want it to be nationwide. (Source)

That’s in April after two months of experts telling us not to wear masks. In fact, thanks for the corroborating article! Emphasizing the need in hot spots does not and did not preclude the general recommendation issued April 3 for all Americans to wear masks.

"In light of this new evidence, CDC recommends wearing cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain," such as in grocery stores or pharmacies, "especially in areas of significant community-based transmission," the CDC says.

How about that.

 

[Terrells Bay88]

Neither is Trump. He donates every cent of his salary.

Now that's a STRAWMAN if there's ever was one. I have to laugh at your post. You guys will defend Trump on every point until it's hilarious and sad at the same time.

 

[NCFisher]

Did you really expect for Trump to be that reasonable and a critical thinker to give a response like the one in the second paragraph?

I do not expect it from Trump, but I would expect it from an even moderately competent POTUS.

Not on Feb 10 you wouldn’t when there were a handful of cases and the medical experts were telling us it was nothing to worry about, don’t mask, worry about the flu instead.

But it’s nice you’ve an equally incoherent cohort in @Terrells Bay88

 

[sjt18]

But yet they are the poorest in the nation?

So you literally think the only measure of success is gross income?

Oh, fwiw, you aren't much of a lawyer if you don't realize why "on paper" Midwestern farmers are "poor".

You... have proven my point. Keep going.