Senators set to vote on bill to codify Supreme Court’s same-sex marriage protections

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volgr said:
We did that here since our founding, until recently. Somehow our ancestors got it all wrong and their enlightened descendants have it all right. Give me a break.
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They actively oppressed the gays?

And by our ancestors do you mean the flaming Greeks or Roman's? Or maybe the rough and tough and willing to sleep with anyone cowboys?
 
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volgr said:
I dont like the negative societal consequences that comes from their lifestyle. Has nothing to do with "oppression of people you dont like and disagree with".
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Heil Volgr! Careful you dont trip in your Boss boots while goose stepping.

I love the "it has nothing to do with oppression, I just dont think they should be allowed to have X, Y, and Z rights".
 
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volgr said:
I never said I was gleeful. I also never said I dont like them as people. Why do you and others feel the need to constantly add things to my argument that I never said? Instead of debating me on what I said. I said I dont support incentivizing or promoting a lifestyle that is destructive to society. It's quite simple and straightforward.
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It's not destructive. The only possible reasons its destructive is because society doesnt accept them and has pushed them out of society where they have no option but to be "destructive". Your society has defined them in such a way where you consider their existence destructive.

Again, what is actually harmful or destructive about that T shirt. It was a soccer ball surrounded by a rainbow. If that is considered destructive to you you do have a problem with them, you just wont admit it, and hide behind clear bs.
 
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LouderVol said:
It's not destructive.
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I think you are going to have a hard time selling most people on that, as most people live in reality and can look around them and see it is obviously destructive. There is no absolute right to free speech. There is no absolute right to privacy. There is no absolute right to guns. etc. This notion that gov't cannot or does not already set boundaries on rights (and have since our founding), is childish.
 
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volgr said:
I think you are going to have a hard time selling most people on that, as most people live in reality and can look around them and see it is obviously destructive. There is no absolute right to free speech. There is no absolute right to privacy. There is no absolute right to guns. etc. This notion that gov't cannot or does not already set boundaries on rights (and have since our founding), is childish.
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I have 2 questions - Why do you feel equal access to marriage and the governmentally granted rights that come with it are harmful to society.

and 2 - How do gay people destroy society?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I have 2 questions - Why do you feel equal access to marriage and the governmentally granted rights that come with it are harmful to society.

and 2 - How do gay people destroy society?
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Alternate lifestyles are destructive to society because they are destructive to the main pillar of society which is strong male/female families (preferably with multiple children). Alternate lifestyles are no different in this destruction than many hetero pursuits such as porn, infidelity, abuse, etc (but those topics aren't the topic of this thread but my response to those topics would be the exact same as my response in this thread...but I'm such a "hateful bigot"). The answer to the second question answers the first.
 
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volgr said:
Alternate lifestyles are destructive to society because they are destructive to the main pillar of society which is strong male/female families (preferably with multiple children). Alternate lifestyles are no different in this destruction than many hetero pursuits such as porn, infidelity, abuse, etc (but those topics aren't the topic of this thread but my response to those topics would be the exact same as my response in this thread...but I'm such a "hateful bigot"). The answer to the second question answers the first.
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How should we punish those that don't ascribe to Heir Volgr?
 
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volgr said:
Alternate lifestyles are destructive to society because they are destructive to the main pillar of society which is strong male/female families (preferably with multiple children). Alternate lifestyles are no different in this destruction than many hetero pursuits such as porn, infidelity, abuse, etc (but those topics aren't the topic of this thread but my response to those topics would be the exact same as my response in this thread...but I'm such a "hateful bigot"). The answer to the second question answers the first.
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So then men and women who can't reproduce are just as destructive to society. Should they also not get equal protection?
 
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volgr said:
Alternate lifestyles are destructive to society because they are destructive to the main pillar of society which is strong male/female families (preferably with multiple children). Alternate lifestyles are no different in this destruction than many hetero pursuits such as porn, infidelity, abuse, etc (but those topics aren't the topic of this thread but my response to those topics would be the exact same as my response in this thread...but I'm such a "hateful bigot"). The answer to the second question answers the first.
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I misstated my first question... Why do you feel equal access to marriage and the governmentally granted rights that come with it promote that "lifestyle?"

You have made an assumption that strong male/female families (preferably with multiple children) are the optimal set up, why?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I have 2 questions - Why do you feel equal access to marriage and the governmentally granted rights that come with it are harmful to society.

and 2 - How do gay people destroy society?
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1 Let’s just remember that this wouldn’t be an issue if the government wasn’t involved in the granting of rights. That’s our first problem. 2 And gay people are destroying our society by producing great music, opening great restaurants, paying their taxes, providing loving homes to adopted children that straight people either abused or neglected, providing amazing political commentary (looking at you Glenn Greenwald). They’re basically the lowest demographic for committing crime. The list of their sins is just astonishing.
 
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volgr said:
Did I say that? Can some of you not read? It is baffling how none of you can have a honest conversation.
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Yes, it was definitely inferred with this statement.
volgr said:
the main pillar of society which is strong male/female families (preferably with multiple children).
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If a couple can't or won't reproduce them what are they contributing to your pillar of society?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I misstated my first question... Why do you feel equal access to marriage and the governmentally granted rights that come with it promote that "lifestyle?"
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As State/Fed gov'ts have slowly relaxed alternate lifestyle prohibitions, along with the massive promotion of alternate lifestyles by media, we have seen a sharp increase in those choosing alternate lifestyles.

You have made an assumption that strong male/female families (preferably with multiple children) are the optimal set up, why?
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For the same reason I can tell you if you throw a rock off a bridge it won't float in mid-air. Also, historically speaking, we can look back and study civilizations who jumped off a bridge themselves thinking they could float and see they did not.
 
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utvolpj said:
Yes, it was definitely inferred with this statement.


If a couple can't or won't reproduce them what are they contributing to your pillar of society?
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What do you think preferable with children means? Obviously, some couples cannot have children, hence the preferably.
 
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volgr said:
I think you are going to have a hard time selling most people on that, as most people live in reality and can look around them and see it is obviously destructive. There is no absolute right to free speech. There is no absolute right to privacy. There is no absolute right to guns. etc. This notion that gov't cannot or does not already set boundaries on rights (and have since our founding), is childish.
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Yeah. Those boundaries are typically where those rights would hurt someone else. They arent hurting anyone else, and thus, they should be free to do as they see fit.policing morality never works, and usually has the opposite effect.
 
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utvolpj said:
So what use are they to your society? They serve no higher purpose that would separate them from a homosexual couple
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Many of them adopt, but we are talking about a very small (but growing, wonder why? I think Alex Jones predicted it with the frogs (sarc)) minority of couples.
 
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volgr said:
Did I say that? Can some of you not read? It is baffling how none of you can have a honest conversation.
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You won't have an honest conversation. You hide your bigotry behind pseudo-science ******** and try to seem reasonable. You aren't reasonable. You want the US to emulate Qatar. Dance all you want, you said that.
 
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LouderVol said:
Yeah. Those boundaries are typically where those rights would hurt someone else. They arent hurting anyone else, and thus, they should be free to do as they see fit.policing morality never works, and usually has the opposite effect.
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Policing morality, in regards to alternate lifestyles, has largely worked. That is until media decided to start marketing it heavily.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
You won't have an honest conversation. You hide your bigotry behind pseudo-science ******** and try to seem reasonable. You aren't reasonable. You want the US to emulate Qatar. Dance all you want, you said that.
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I am having an honest conversation but it is very nuanced and most of you are trying to ascribe beliefs to me that I have not said. I never said I want the US to emulate Qatar. You know this because I have already corrected this false claim by you in another thread.

If this issue is so black and white then why are you guys having such a hard time honestly debating it?
 
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volgr said:
Many of them adopt, but we are talking about a very small (but growing, wonder why? I think Alex Jones predicted it with the frogs (sarc)) minority of couples.
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Some adopt but it's not required. Again, they bring nothing so why are they allowed?

Many couples have reproductive issues. Ours came because the us govt dumped orange stuff on my FIL in Vietnam and also poisoned the water at his base. You may have heard about the last one recently. It's likely to pay for my kids college since they're also affected. Big govt is awesome right?
 
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