September 10, 2024 Presidential Debate Thread. (Insert snarky subtitles here.)

Sounds like a 1930’s attitude, to me.
Ww2 was caused by terrible policy coming out of ww1 which was an absolutely useless war. Just like Ukraine, you need to look back many years further to understand why this is happening and try to stop making those bad decisions
 
they did in the 1930s too.

Germany would definitely have to build-up. Hitler wanted war from day 1 and started building up in 1933. This is one reason Nazi Germany had the advantage early on as they started preparing before everyone else. UK and France didn't start preparing until around the time of the Munich Agreement and the USA until 1939 or so (unlike common belief, the USA started prepping for WW2 a lot earlier than people expect. By 1939, they had started production of Essex Class Aircraft Carriers and the North Carolina class Battleships in response to the threat as well as started building a more modern air force and started work on new tank designs. Lend-lease was also a secret way that Roosevelt utilized to build up the USA war economy).

Italy and the Soviets were pretty militarized but the Soviet Army became dysfunctional after Stalin's purges.

Kind of off-topic but getting back to point, Germany would probably need at least 5-6 years of focus to prep for the war. If they had that, I would take them in a 1v1 right now as modern Russia is not near the strength of 1941 USSR.
 
So you're against humanitarian aid to Ukraine? That's pretty ****ed up.

The military aid we provide them is largely materiel built here in the United States. When we draw-down on materiel, our defense industry then builds more - providing jobs here in the United States.
We can't afford hundreds of billions to Ukraine no matter how it's categorized.

Your last paragraph is such a stupid MIC talking point 😂
 
I can endorse the first paragraph but then you go f it up with an insult, why is respectful debate beyond you? If you hope to change my mind passing me off isn't going to help.

Did you see who I was responding to? If you did you would understand. TurboMonty is one of the most disrespectful posters on this board. BUT, how was my second paragraph disrespectful, it is the truth.
 
Good question, I have my doubts but I'd give Poland the edge in a 1 v 1 fight against Russia.

Poland is the only nation to have successfully conquered Russia in the 1600s (Mongols technically don't count as Muscovy/Russia didn't truly exist when they invaded Russia).
 
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Our own government acknowledge we didn't get them resources until 9 months into the war (after the impactful battle of Kiev).

But then again, you are the troll that the USA has a ton of 1980s equipment to send that will help Ukraine and that we can magically teleport this equipment to Ukraine with 0 cost to us.

Oh really? Provide a link.
 
Give? No, we should be selling that hardware to Europe and letting them give it to Ukraine. It's true that they are of little value to us militarily but there is value in scrap and that is better than paying the shipping expense and giving it away.

But I forgot, you are a disciple of Alphred Marshal and believer in the Rothchilds Formula.

Dude, I have no doubt you'd charge your own kids for gas money if you gave them a ride.
 
That is some weak BS right there. Come on give us the comparisons between the war in Ukraine and WWII. How does Russian military capability compare to late 1930s Germany vs GB, France, Poland, Germany and the rest of western Europe because if you cannot make that comparison then there is no comparison between this war and WWII.

Ahhh.... so we're all gonna just stick our collective heads in the sand and ignore the fact that Russia has nukes.

Your ignorance never ceases to amaze me, Hogg.
 
Ahhh.... so we're all gonna just stick our collective heads in the sand and ignore the fact that Russia has nukes.

Your ignorance never ceases to amaze me, Hogg.

And what do you think will happen if they use one?

Plus, GB and France have nukes so what's your point?
 



The flip flopping reminds me of this quick 30 second interview of Rick James about Eddie Murphys couch.


Pay attention to her when she is asked about eliminating private health insurance. She uses an example of "This way insurance companies can't reject the care you need."

This is her saying anyone that wants to "transition" will be funded by the taxpayer which she said years ago about illegal immigrants in prison having transition surgeries funded by the taxpayer. Which she wasn't fact checked on at the debate and was allowed to lie about.
 
That's ridiculous. If that were true there would be wars all over.
Not sure what you're trying to say here.
Your buying into the idea that Putin will keep going which has never been anything but am excuse to keep wasting time and money in Ukraine
Right, because this is the first time Putin has used force in a country that has never been a threat to him.
The us is giving weapons to attack Russia. That makes all of us less safe
So does Russia moving its borders to the west.
 
Oh really? Provide a link.

It took a 2 minute find the report:


The early 2022 package was "humanitarian", not military.


Most of the substantial military aid to Ukraine came AFTER Ukraine had stopped the Russian assault on Kiev. Part of that is once again, logistics.

The USA government had to pass laws in Congress, setup a system to send aid to Ukraine, and ship the products to Poland. You can't do that in the first 6-9 months.

Now Ukraine had previous equipment from 2021 and earlier when USA gave them packages and helped with training (Ukrainian government paid for that).

However, Ukraine stopped Russia without USA aid. To say Ukraine would just collapse if USA stopped all aid is inaccurate.
 

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So... in your opinion we should just ignore Putin's threats of nuclear retaliation?

WTF do you get that stupid idea?

If Putin uses a nuke I am certain we will retaliate. I don't even understand what you're trying to get at, how do you propose we stop him from using a nuke?
 
By all means, start. I sincerely want to hear your perspective.

For me (and most folks I know), the last 4 years or so have been pretty good (financially at least). Inflation was really bad, but it's now returned to normal historic rates. Housing is an issue, but is that really Biden's fault... and if so, what would you do?

So what's your beef?
Huge inflation. My products have doubled in cost over the last 3 years. My products are a recreational item so when times get tough, people just don't buy. I'm seriously thinking of just shutting down and retiring. That may good for me but my employees would think otherwise. Inflation is a huge issue and your president contributed to it greatly. Remember the "Inflation reduction act"

Our borders are ridiculous that your president is responsible for. Millions of people crossing unvetted and are getting paid yo be here. The day after the election, huge caravans from central and south America started toward the border knowing that Biden would welcome them with open arms and actual add them to the social welfare rolls.

Your DNC has tried to censor free speech by blocking any dissenting opinion and attempt to create a "truth Czar".


Your president has botched everything he put his hands on including the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan costing 13 lives.

Unbelievable funding of proxy wars. Our tax dollars going to foreign countries. Charity starts at home.

Undoing our oil independence by shutting down domestic sources. Our strategic reserves are about 1/2 of where they need to be.

Here's what every American, Democrat, Republican, and even you independents 😅 needs to be concerned about:

The DNC pretty much owns the MSM. That's the first thing a Marxist regime does to become a dictatorship.

The DNC has weaponized the justice system in order to attack political opponents.

The DNC created a false dossier and used it to damage a political opponent. Encouraged "their" media to report it as true. Used the dossier to obtain warrants to be able to spy on political opponents. This makes Watergate look like a Sunday school craft session.

The DNC used the alphabet agencies to encourage their media to squash damaging information and directed them to call it conspiracies from their opponents and they obliged.

The DNC did the same with social media giants and they complied.

They've threatened to stack the supreme court and given the chance they'll absolutely do it.

Your president has taken millions in bribes from Communist China and literally nothing has been done.

The DNC has pledge to disarm the population. They know this path is to stack the supreme court and redefine the 2nd amendment.

and there's a whole hell of a lot more.
 
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