Serious QB discussion

[Delmar]

Our O line isn’t that bad.

The starters are pretty good. Very thin behind them though. We have issues if Mincey can’t go Saturday.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Peyton started games about this same time
of the season and he did alright for a true freshman.

Peyton was not the first, and I believe not even the second choice.

Just say you don't believe Josh Heupel can't pick a QB if that's what you mean.

 

[Delmar]

This isn’t that difficult to understand. The coaches watch Nico EVERY DAY on practice and he obviously isn’t ready to go. And no sane coach is going to replace the starter on a top 20 team with a 5 and 1 record. It ain’t happening. They are going to ride a stout running game and defense and hope Joe doesn’t get them in deep trouble. If he gets hurt or we get to 3 losses, then you’ll probably see more of Nico.

The other factor you have to consider is the lack of performance by our wideouts. Saw it in person yesterday and watched it. They consistently do not get separation and Joe is having to force a lot of passes. And when they did get open, there is a fair chance they’ll drop it as Keyton has done a number of times. This group is a far cry from last year’s bunch and Heupel is doing a good job adjusting.

 

[Vol8188]

There is no reasonable response except this.

You are a fan, a ticket holder and maybe a graduate or alumni at best. Heupel doesn't answer to any of us. He answers to the AD who answers to the board of trustees. Big Money donors etc. No one here knows why we do not change QBs. Easy to sit on a couch or in the stands and say play this guy or that guy. It's also easy to be loud and b1tch and moan because the sky is falling, keep being loud. Hell get louder, don't go to games, don't watch on tv. We have 6 games left and a bowl game. Month after we get spring. Then months after we get another season. I prefer to enjoy it other than constantly b1tching about something I have no control over. Enjoy your night

I have no clue what you're talking about. I've not even said we should change QB. Weird, long rant of yours is weird and long.

 

[Vols1313]

You or whoever the post that I was responding to (too lazy to look up) cited that Milton hasn't lost us a game yet. That is incorrect. Granted, it was a team effort (or lack of effort) against Florida.

I don’t need your sass bozo , you’re commenting on my reply so that’s on you. I’m simply stating he is nearly losing us games that’s a factual statement, whether we have lost 1 or 6 my statement stands he is close to costing us games .

 

[Sandevol]

LOL, do you enjoy being this delusional?

Bro I love he kid he’s a genuine good person and I want this young man to succeed. He just doesn’t have the tools. I admit the receivers haven’t helped him but to be timid at his size and most of the time he couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat at some point this season it’s time for the future. I’m an old guy and have been a die hard forever. T Martin was very similar to Milton huge arm but the touch most games wasn’t there. I would like to see Nico in some situations and I think we will if we lose to Bama. There is a real possibility of we lose next week we lose to mizzu, Georgia and even Kentucky on the road if this happens can you get up for a Vandy team that has nothing to lose but be Tennessee state champs. Just something to think about. Watch the pass play 4th quarter the guy was wide open he held it until he was covered.

 

[BigALWiLson]

I don’t need your sass bozo , you’re commenting on my reply so that’s on you. I’m simply stating he is nearly losing us games that’s a factual statement, whether we have lost 1 or 6 my statement stands he is close to costing us games .

He has been close to losing games twice this year one we lost to Florida and A&M. One the whole team failed to show up in the first half. The other was a hard fought defensive game. The pass game is an issue. But our wrs have to their part

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

I really doubt there is anyone left who thinks Milton is the guy to get us any kind of championship. But, other than the very untimely INT he is a stabilizing force and when he does run can do damage with his legs. I guess my question is do we stick with his game management and just give up on the passing game realizing our WRs are not exactly world class either or do we go ahead and give Nico his chance? My honest opinion, while likely to be unpopular, is not to throw Nico into his first start at Tuscaloosa. Start Milton but have Nico ready if our passing game is as impotent as it was tonight. We could try the two QB thing too.

Heupel would be playing Nico if he truly though we would be better off. They see them everyday. It is not all Joe’s fault, we just have to keep working. It has been different things at different times that have stopped drives. The officials have stopped them as well. We just have to keep working and correcting mistakes. Overall as a team we are improving. We are 5-1. No we can’t just abandoned the passing game, you keep working trying to get better. Yes Milton does have things to work on but receivers have to make catches when the ball is there and they have to continue to work on separation. Also we have gotten screwed on more pass interference calls than anyone in America. If I am Heupel I am sending all 3 frames of mugging to the sec office. We have to continue to try the long ball 2-3 times in the first half, we have to continue our offense we cannot limit it. Adding a few more end arounds and wrinkles and wheel routes. We have to stretch that Bama D, and still run the ball well. On D, stop the run and make Monroe uncomfortable. Bama has had similar issues to ours on offense. GBO

 

[Vols1313]

He has been close to losing games twice this year one we lost to Florida and A&M. One the whole team failed to show up in the first half. The other was a hard fought defensive game. The pass game is an issue. But our wrs have to their part

I mean considering who we have played haha wow he’s great . If we don’t get a pick six against SC or punt return against A and m they are diff games , yes receivers need to do more but Milton just isn’t smart unfortunately, I want to be wrong but he is a drive killer

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Silly statement. I think most realize what we had last year was special. At the same time there’s nothing wrong with some of us wanting a QB that makes decent decisions and throws for over a 100 yds. JM is not the caliber QB we need for competing in the East and further competing for championships. Shame on us for pointing that out.

It isn't silly at all. It's what the vast majority on this board expected JM to be. Newsflash: he isn't and never will be. And continually pointing it out gets old. I guess it's cathartic for you though. I really do hope it makes you feel better.

Oh, and while he threw for 100 yards, we ran for 230 which is almost 4 times more than the average A&M allowed thus far this season. And as an added bonus, we won anyway.

Oh, and in case you haven't noticed, we are still in the hunt for the east. What I think is going to be interesting is how ya'll react when Nico is on his ass next year because of the losses we are going to have on the O-line.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Defense is hot, Milton can’t pass!!

But he can hand if off and we can run it down their throats. That works too.

 

[EastTNVol6240]

It isn't silly at all. It's what the vast majority on this board expected JM to be. Newsflash: he isn't and never will be. And continually pointing it out gets old. I guess it's cathartic for you though. I really do hope it makes you feel better.

Oh, and while he threw for 100 yards, we ran for 230 which is almost 4 times more than the average A&M allowed thus far this season. And as an added bonus, we won anyway.

Oh, and in case you haven't noticed, we are still in the hunt for the east. What I think is going to be interesting is how ya'll react when Nico is on his ass next year because of the losses we are going to have on the O-line.

Not real sure why you bring up rushing…. It’s no surprise that our rushing game is what is keeping us on games. Congrats for noticing that. And no, you’re lying when you say we expected joe to throw for 100 yard games this season. While he was going to be no hooker, a serviceable qb was expected. He’s not proven to be that. Hunt for the East, lol. You keep holding onto that. And you’ve not seen me scream nico once. I’m just pointing out the obvious. I’m sorry being realistic hurts your heart. I could settle for mediocre, joe has been less than that.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Peyton started games about this same time
of the season and he did alright for a true freshman.

You are talking about one of the top 5-10 quarterbacks in the history of the game (on anybody's list) there though. I know we'd all like to believe Nico is THAT good, but odds are that he isn't. At least not at this point.

 

[livefaith]

No way am I sending Nico into his first start on the road at Bama.

UK ... I lean toward yes, unless Joe turns it all around at Bama.

Right now, there ain't a snowballs chance that I'm writing off the UK road game as a win. UConn & Vandy @ home are it at this point. Bubba, UGA, UK, Mizz will take big efforts to win. Not tinker with a QB change to a FR unless he's dominating in practice.

 

[livefaith]

The starters are pretty good. Very thin behind them though. We have issues if Mincey can’t go Saturday.

This ain't the time or place. But I'm really concerned @ 2024. The entire starting OL could be gone. Entire backend of the defense gone. Just paid attention for 1st time watching the ATM game. Nico may have a tough intro to starter life?

 

[volbound1700]

I don’t need your sass bozo , you’re commenting on my reply so that’s on you. I’m simply stating he is nearly losing us games that’s a factual statement, whether we have lost 1 or 6 my statement stands he is close to costing us games .

"Nearly Losing" does not mean Lost. He has LOST us a game already.

 

[GordonC]

This isn’t that difficult to understand. The coaches watch Nico EVERY DAY on practice and he obviously isn’t ready to go. And no sane coach is going to replace the starter on a top 20 team with a 5 and 1 record. It ain’t happening. They are going to ride a stout running game and defense and hope Joe doesn’t get them in deep trouble. If he gets hurt or we get to 3 losses, then you’ll probably see more of Nico.

The other factor you have to consider is the lack of performance by our wideouts. Saw it in person yesterday and watched it. They consistently do not get separation and Joe is having to force a lot of passes. And when they did get open, there is a fair chance they’ll drop it as Keyton has done a number of times. This group is a far cry from last year’s bunch and Heupel is doing a good job adjusting.

Truth

 

[JHuntVols]

The question is not whether Milton is good, it's whether he's currently better than Nico. You have zero data on how Nico is currently performing in practice and what the team chemistry/morale situation is behind the scenes so your opinion on whether to put Nico in is essentially worthless. Heupel on the other hand has all the data and appears to believe the uber skinny true freshman is not going to improve us at quarterback against the meat of our schedule. I realize that is disappointing to those hoping there is a quick fix at quarterback, but over the course of SEC history, thinking a true freshman is basically meat for the grinder in our conference has been a sound proposition much more often than not.

Dude. I know you're trying to sound smart with the continued use of "data" or "proposition," so let me put this in words you can pretend to understand. Self reported observations of practice and surveys of team opinion by the staff would be considered weak evidence in data science. What you should be interested in is the unbiased facts (e.g., passing yard or interceptions) of each particular game. The facts of a game obviously hold much more weight than anything in practice simply because you know... you practice for the game. After we can all agree that games are the standard for analysis of a player, then we can conclude Milton is relatively bad. As far as comparing him to Nico, then he's difficult to do simply because we have no statistical evidence to suggest that he is or is not. What we do have is inferences that come from recent historical evidence of coaches switching QBs to unproven players, and we can also argue that to presume Nico is worse than Milton is much more difficult to defend than to say he's at least as good as Milton. I'll also continue to dismiss the idea that merely because Heupel hasn't started Nico it means he's not ready. It should be well known here that Heupel missed on his evaluation of Milton vs. Hooker, and that in and of itself is evidence that he's wrong again. That's fine too.

 

[Jxn Vol]

Start the guy that will not run out of bounds a yard short of the sticks.

 

[Vols All Day]

 

[VolMarine1371]

I really doubt there is anyone left who thinks Milton is the guy to get us any kind of championship. But, other than the very untimely INT he is a stabilizing force and when he does run can do damage with his legs. I guess my question is do we stick with his game management and just give up on the passing game realizing our WRs are not exactly world class either or do we go ahead and give Nico his chance? My honest opinion, while likely to be unpopular, is not to throw Nico into his first start at Tuscaloosa. Start Milton but have Nico ready if our passing game is as impotent as it was tonight. We could try the two QB thing too.

VA- 21/30, 201yds, 2TD, 64.3 QBR-W
APSU- 21/33, 228yds, 2TD, 35.1 QBR-W
UF- 20/34, 287yds, 2TD, 1int 48.8QBR-L
UTSA- 18/31, 209yds, 2TD’s, 84.1 QBR-W
SC- 21/39, 239yds, 1TD, 2int 43.8 QBR -W
aTm-11/22,100yds, 1TD, 1int 63.1 QBR -W

If these stats hasn’t already gotten him benched, he’s not getting benched ever. Just accept the fact that Heupel has blind love for Joe like Butch and Pruitt had for JG.

 

[VolMarine1371]

My thing with Milton is I can't point to one functional area of the offense where he excels at or puts other people in position to excel. I'm not sure if Nico is ready either and I don't want to stunt his development and make him get hit repeatedly behind a bad OL, so that's where I think we're at unfortunately. It's extremely frustrating.

I’m tired of hear the “bad OLine” ********. If this OLine was bad we wouldn’t be #4 in the country in rushing and #1 in the SEC in rushing. Our OLine man handled the best dline we will see this year against aTm.

 

[VolMarine1371]

No way am I sending Nico into his first start on the road at Bama.

UK ... I lean toward yes, unless Joe turns it all around at Bama.

Didn’t Dobbs make his 1st start in Tuscaloosa?

 

[VolMarine1371]

We have a long weekend next Saturday if this is the same joe that travels to bama.

VA- 21/30, 201yds, 2TD, 64.3 QBR-W
APSU- 21/33, 228yds, 2TD, 35.1 QBR-W
UF- 20/34, 287yds, 2TD, 1int 48.8QBR-L
UTSA- 18/31, 209yds, 2TD’s, 84.1 QBR-W
SC- 21/39, 239yds, 1TD, 2int 43.8 QBR -W
aTm-11/22,100yds, 1TD, 1int 63.1 QBR -W

Been the same Joe all year. I wouldn’t expect anything less than what we have seen 1st half.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

VA- 21/30, 201yds, 2TD, 64.3 QBR-W
APSU- 21/33, 228yds, 2TD, 35.1 QBR-W
UF- 20/34, 287yds, 2TD, 1int 48.8QBR-L
UTSA- 18/31, 209yds, 2TD’s, 84.1 QBR-W
SC- 21/39, 239yds, 1TD, 2int 43.8 QBR -W
aTm-11/22,100yds, 1TD, 1int 63.1 QBR -W

If these stats hasn’t already gotten him benched, he’s not getting benched ever. Just accept the fact that Heupel has blind love for Joe like Butch and Pruitt had for JG.

Those QBs that we wanted to replace JG?
Bailey is a walk on at Louisville
Maurer is at Stephen F Austin
Shrout is playing for Butch at Ark State

JG did a year in the NFL.

Want to take bets on whether any of the others do?