Should a business be allowed to exclude the unvaccinated?

Should a business be allowed to exclude the unvaccinated?

  • Yes

    Votes: 52 75.4%

  • No

    Votes: 15 21.7%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.8%
  • Total voters
    69
#101
#101
NEO said:
Walking a very thin legal line here as if you turn someone away who does not have the vaccine and is excluded due to a disability then that business is in real hot water.

The person with the disability would also not need to state this and could simply walk away or a person could lie and say yes the have a disability and are excluded and then come in an infect someone and the business could be liable.

It’s the same as snow on a business tenants property. If it’s the landlords job per the lease and the tenant doesn’t touch it and someone slips the lessor is on the hook but if it’s the lessors job and the lessee touches it and someone slips then the lessee has brought the liability on him.

A smart business owner stays completely out of this mix and leaves it up to the CDC.

As a paralegal I am sure your bosses may have briefed you on how volatile this could be.
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100% correct
 
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#105
#105
csmize said:
Hypothetically, the majority of the people not having their papers are black. Then BLM gets involved...............
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And of course they need to furnish a government approved paper showing that they are vaccinated along with an ID to prove that they are who they are saying they are.

And just like that Democrats accidently destroyed their entire "voting ID is racist" platform. lol
 
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#106
FLVOL_79 said:
And of course they need to furnish a government approved paper showing that they are vaccinated along with an ID to prove that they are who they are saying they are.

And just like that Democrats accidently destroyed their entire "voting ID is racist" platform. lol
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very good point.
 
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#107
PlanetVolunteer said:
Not a very good business model depending on where you are located and the implications from doing that on a societal level are HORRIBLE

YEAH LETS HAVE EVEN MORE DIVISION
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No they aren’t. This isn’t 1960 anymore and that worn out rhetoric won’t fly. Anybody posting a “No Colored People Allowed” sign in today’s setting would get universally roasted by everyone.
 
#108
#108
Would HIPAA not have to be over turned in order to "legally" force someone to disclose if they have had a medical shot. Requiring proof of a Covid shot opens the door to require proof of Small Pox, Measles, Tetanus or any other vax. Some of which still cause permanent damage to a percentage of kids. And the covid shots have cause thousands of deaths already, yet hasn't been pulled. And I'm putting that in my arm for your good??
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm not sure I believe that will be that much of a problem, though I am sure it will occur. How many people will go to the trouble of creating a fake vaccination card just to go to a parotcular restaurant? Seems like an awful lot of trouble to go to, especially compared to the easy route of just getting the vaccine.
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If anyone can prove to me I won't be one of the thousands already killed by the vaccine, I will proudly rest my chin on my hand and think about getting it. Otherwise, NWIH. I have not had covid 1 to my knowledge, but there's always the chance I did. Complied with getting tested for work and was negative. Won't be getting Covid 2 or any other release they throw at chicken little. This is no different than electing to take a flu shot, or not. I took it once and got the flu. Haven't since and have not had flu. only time in 20+ years I've had the flu. My body, my choice.
 
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#112
LouderVol said:
Bodily fluid is more than just semen. Any place with food, knives, cutting instruments, or close working conditions would have a valid worry of HIV.
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Never looked into it. but do insects like mosquitoes carry HIV or COVID?
 
#113
#113
lawgator1 said:
I'm not sure I believe that will be that much of a problem, though I am sure it will occur. How many people will go to the trouble of creating a fake vaccination card just to go to a parotcular restaurant? Seems like an awful lot of trouble to go to, especially compared to the easy route of just getting the vaccine.
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5 minutes of photo shop work ain't a lot of work.
 
#116
#116
GVF said:
Would HIPAA not have to be over turned in order to "legally" force someone to disclose if they have had a medical shot. Requiring proof of a Covid shot opens the door to require proof of Small Pox, Measles, Tetanus or any other vax. Some of which still cause permanent damage to a percentage of kids. And the covid shots have cause thousands of deaths already, yet hasn't been pulled. And I'm putting that in my arm for your good??
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That's not how HIPPA works
 
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#117
#117
utvolpj said:
Why? If there's a need then someone can fill the hole and drive the others out of business
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Agreed. Fine letting the market decide whether it rewards or penalizes how a business behaves, not the .gov.
 
#118
#118
lawgator1 said:
Fair enough.

But that illustrates a collision of sorts in the initial question. Does the liberty of the individual to choose not to get vaccinated yield to a business owner that insists upon it?
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If I understand the question one does not have a right (their liberty) to obtain services from another so there's not a collision. The business owner is free to enter into a transaction or decline to enter into a transaction. Transactions require both parties to voluntarily consent. If either party declines there is not a violation of the liberty of the other.
 
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#119
#119
LouderVol said:
Bodily fluid is more than just semen. Any place with food, knives, cutting instruments, or close working conditions would have a valid worry of HIV.
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Weak argument, buddy. We’re talking about customers. I’ve never bled on anyone while I was out to eat.
 
#120
#120
volinbham said:
If I understand the question one does not have a right (their liberty) to obtain services from another so there's not a collision. The business owner is free to enter into a transaction or decline to enter into a transaction. Transactions require both parties to voluntarily consent. If either party declines there is not a violation of the liberty of the other.
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What about government services? Can the government say its not going to give you a service if you don't meet its criteria?
 
#121
#121
lawgator1 said:
What about government services? Can the government say its not going to give you a service if you don't meet its criteria?
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Are you stupidly trying to extend private citizens individual rights to an entity which happens to be the entity the rights is meant to protect them from? 🤡
 
#123
#123
NorthDallas40 said:
Are you stupidly trying to extend private citizens individual rights to an entity which happens to be the entity the rights is meant to protect them from? 🤡
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allvol123 said:
Really, this route? Ugh.

To be honest, the govt seems to be able to do whatever the hell it desires.
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I'm just theorizing. Truly no agenda. I find the whole thing interesting.
 
#124
#124
lawgator1 said:
I'm just theorizing. Truly no agenda. I find the whole thing interesting.
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Fair enough. But you have to admit for a lawyer it’s a somewhat strange angle. No I’m not throwing shade that you aren’t a lawyer I believe you are, much more so than most of our “Holiday Inn Express last night” claimants.
 
#125
#125
lawgator1 said:
I'm not sure I believe that will be that much of a problem, though I am sure it will occur. How many people will go to the trouble of creating a fake vaccination card just to go to a parotcular restaurant? Seems like an awful lot of trouble to go to, especially compared to the easy route of just getting the vaccine.
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Lol you don’t know people very well do you
 
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