Should Churches Pay Taxes?

#251
#251
(therealUT @ Jul 26 said:
In that case Smoke, did God plant the trees and grass, see that it was good, and then pull them up, only to replant them again after he created man? In which case, God would have been mistaken in planting vegetation in the first place, therefore he would be fallible and mutable. Your choice, either an infallible God or an allegorical Bible...
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Perfect God and a perfect Bible. You just fail to see the simple truth. The theologians have you brain washed.
 
#253
#253
(smoke_em06 @ Jul 26 said:
Perfect God and a perfect Bible. You just fail to see the simple truth. The theologians have you brain washed.
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So now being logical is being brainwashed, yet, illogically dismissing a very obvious contradiction is 'perfect.' And you are a senior in at ETSU? I was unaware that basic lit and composition were not part of the curriculum at that institution.
 
#254
#254
(therealUT @ Jul 26 said:
So now being logical is being brainwashed, yet, illogically dismissing a very obvious contradiction is 'perfect.' And you are a senior in at ETSU? I was unaware that basic lit and composition were not part of the curriculum at that institution.
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I see no contrdiction real. As far as Lit. and Comp., those were easy A's thanks. Not fun classes though.
 
#255
#255
(smoke_em06 @ Jul 26 said:
I see no contrdiction.
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Answer the following questions, honestly, with a 'yes' or a 'no:'

In Gn 1, did God create vegetation on the third day?


In Gn 1, did God create man on the sixth day?


In Gn 2, was man created prior vegetation?
 
#256
#256
For you Smoke...

Do you really feel that God is somehow less miraculous because he uses the science (that he created) to perform miracles? I for one feel that he is more miraculous because he created science, reason, and logic, and provided man these tools (His image.) However, it seems that those who take the Bible literally have a lot of questions they need to somehow answer, most of them are answered with very little logic:

1. Which translation and version is actually God's word? Someone who views the Bible whollistically, usually will not have this problem, no matter which version they read (except the versions that have removed whole books.) The Old Testament scriptures began as oral traditions. They were then written down in Hebrew, later tranlsated to Greek and Aramaic, from there translated into Latin, from Latin to German, German to French, French to English. There are discrepancies and idiosyncricies in each translation, so, is the English translation and revision by Queen Elizabeth I the only one that can be taken literally?

2. Why did God stop blatantly intervening in human life? For over 6,000 years in the Old Testament, God personally consults with humans and performs very visible miracles...why did he stop? If it was good to intervene in human affairs for 6,000 years, why is it so wrong to intervene now?
 
#257
#257
(therealUT @ Jul 26 said:
Answer the following questions, honestly, with a 'yes' or a 'no:'

In Gn 1, did God create vegetation on the third day?
In Gn 1, did God create man on the sixth day?
In Gn 2, was man created prior vegetation?
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1. yes
2.yes
3.no
 
#259
#259
(therealUT @ Jul 26 said:
For you Smoke...

Do you really feel that God is somehow less miraculous because he uses the science (that he created) to perform miracles? I for one feel that he is more miraculous because he created science, reason, and logic, and provided man these tools (His image.) However, it seems that those who take the Bible literally have a lot of questions they need to somehow answer, most of them are answered with very little logic:

1. Which translation and version is actually God's word? Someone who views the Bible whollistically, usually will not have this problem, no matter which version they read (except the versions that have removed whole books.) The Old Testament scriptures began as oral traditions. They were then written down in Hebrew, later tranlsated to Greek and Aramaic, from there translated into Latin, from Latin to German, German to French, French to English. There are discrepancies and idiosyncricies in each translation, so, is the English translation and revision by Queen Elizabeth I the only one that can be taken literally?

2. Why did God stop blatantly intervening in human life? For over 6,000 years in the Old Testament, God personally consults with humans and performs very visible miracles...why did he stop? If it was good to intervene in human affairs for 6,000 years, why is it so wrong to intervene now?
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You don't think that God intervenes today?? You obviously don't have relationship with the God I worship. I have seen miracle after miracle just in my 21 years. God answers prayers like you obviously haven't experienced. It all comes back to blind faith. God simply didn't need evolution to create us. We have a disagreement about what "in his image means." You stop at our reasoning and free will. I continue on to believe he meant physical form as well.
 
#261
#261
Do you believe the whole bible literally or do you believe the teachings of Jesus "trumped" some of the earlier stuff based on Hebrew law?
Matthew, Ch 19

17"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."

18"Which ones?" the man inquired.

Jesus replied, " 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, 19honor your father and mother,'[a] and 'love your neighbor as yourself.'"

20"All these I have kept," the young man said. "What do I still lack?"

21Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

22When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
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Note the use of metaphor

Have you sold all your stuff and given it to the poor yet?
 
#262
#262
(therealUT @ Jul 26 said:
You can't pick and choose 'literal.' I am definitely done responding to you.
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I have looked and looked real. I don't see a contradiction.
 
#263
#263
(vader @ Jul 26 said:
Do you believe the whole bible literally or do you believe the teachings of Jesus "trumped" some of the earlier stuff based on Hebrew law?
Note the use of metaphor

Have you sold all your stuff and given it to the poor yet?
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This passage of scripture is in reference to the fact that a man cannot take his earthly possesions to heaven with him. He needs not to worry about building up his earthly treasures because they will be burnt in the end. So yes I take that literally.
 
#264
#264
(smoke_em06 @ Jul 26 said:
This passage of scripture is in reference to the fact that a man cannot take his earthly possesions to heaven with him. He needs not to worry about building up his earthly treasures because they will be burnt in the end. So yes I take that literally.
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Does anybody else notice the irony of this response?
 
#265
#265
(smoke_em06 @ Jul 26 said:
This passage of scripture is in reference to the fact that a man cannot take his earthly possesions to heaven with him. He needs not to worry about building up his earthly treasures because they will be burnt in the end. So yes I take that literally.
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21Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
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It sounds to me like he is "literally" telling you to sell all your possesions and give it to the poor. What you described is an interpretation that lets you keep your stuff.
 
#268
#268
(therealUT @ Jul 26 said:
Does anybody else notice the irony of this response?
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REAL?? You have told me 4 times that you are through talking to me. What brings you back if all I do is make you mad?
 
#269
#269
(smoke_em06 @ Jul 26 said:
REAL?? You have told me 4 times that you are through talking to me. What brings you back if all I do is make you mad?
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There are just some opportunities that on does not turn down in life...
 
#271
#271
then under the influence of alcohol they will be much more joyous to be around.
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That's how it affects me. That is what this thread needs ....a tapped keg!
 
#274
#274
(allvol123 @ Jul 26 said:
I guess you consider stupid a disease also? maybe if we throw enough money at it we can fix it. Thoughts from bad comedians are pretty weak repsonses.
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Speaking of weak responses, that's about the 5th time you've said that. I think you might need some new material yourself.
 
#275
#275
(Orangewhiteblood @ Jul 26 said:
Speaking of weak responses, that's about the 5th time you've said that. I think you might need some new material yourself.
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not sure what I have said for the 5th time, you would need to elaborate. haven't talked about bad comedians 5 times, haven't talked about stupid being a disease 5 times. Please do better OWB.
 
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