SI is Pizzed that Bama made it!!

[sami]

Alabama is a better team than Miami. They played a tougher schedule. Had better wins. And will be favored by Vegas to do better in the playoffs than Miami.

You can hate Bama all you want but these are the facts. The committee got it right. They deserve to be in over Miami.

Truth.

The issue isn't about Alabama, as much as UT fans want to believe, but about the entire process of choosing teams for this beauty pageant. I would take Alabama on a neutral field against any of Miami, Penn State, Indiana, or any other ACC or Big 12 pretender.

 

[VolPack22]

I wouldn’t put money on Alabama to win or cover any game. Whenever you score 3 points in a game against a 5-5 team, you lose all benefit of the doubt.

 

[LAVol1]

Alabama is a better team than Miami. Had better wins.

They also had MUCH worse losses: OU and Vandy

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

They also had MUCH worse losses: OU and Vandy

Disagree. Oklahoma is still a top 10 team based on composite recruiting talent. They've just had a bad season on offense. But talent wise they're not bad. Vandy just pushed us in a do or die game. They're not the Vandy of old. That's not a bad loss.

 

[VolPack22]

Disagree. Oklahoma is still a top 10 team based on composite recruiting talent. They've just had a bad season on offense. But talent wise they're not bad. Vandy just pushed us in a do or die game. They're not the Vandy of old. That's not a bad loss.

LSU beat that Oklahoma team by 20

South Carolina won by 26

Texas won by 31

5 double digit losses on the season

Y’all need to stop sticking up for Alabama and that 24-3 thumping they received from a BAD football team.

 

[rjd970]

Alabama is a better team than Miami. They played a tougher schedule. Had better wins. And will be favored by Vegas to do better in the playoffs than Miami.

You can hate Bama all you want but these are the facts. The committee got it right. They deserve to be in over Miami.

Maybe, but there is best and deserving, and both play a part in it and both must be present. We can quibble over the details and arguments can be made for a number of teams, of course.

But to your Bama point, I can reasonably argue that USCjr could win the whole thing with the way they are playing, and Ole Miss when hitting on all cylinders can beat anybody in the country. The fact that OM and USC are not in this thing is that they haven't earned it, and I would place Bama in that same category. You can't reasonably argue (in my opinion) that losses to Vanderbilt and Oklahoma still keep you in the deserving category. Maybe a loss to one is ok, but not both.

As for Miami, I'm on the bubble with them. They did lose 2 of last 3, but that was to a GT team that took Georgia to 8 OTs in their own place and lost on the road to a 9-3 Syracuse team. Over that same stretch Bama only had to beat Mercer, OK, and Auburn...and lost one of them. that said, I do believe Miami got bailed out of some games earlier in the year, so there is that.

All in all, I think the committee got it wrong, and Bama got in on brand, not merit. If it were us or most other teams with the same resume it isn't even a discussion and Miami would be in. That is the deep dark truth we won't hear the committee admit.

 

[rjd970]

Truth.

The issue isn't about Alabama, as much as UT fans want to believe, but about the entire process of choosing teams for this beauty pageant. I would take Alabama on a neutral field against any of Miami, Penn State, Indiana, or any other ACC or Big 12 pretender.

I would also take OM and USCjr on a neutral field against those same teams. In my opinion, that is not a separator for Bama.

 

[rjd970]

Disagree. Oklahoma is still a top 10 team based on composite recruiting talent. They've just had a bad season on offense. But talent wise they're not bad. Vandy just pushed us in a do or die game. They're not the Vandy of old. That's not a bad loss.

The recruiting ranking and talent composites do not make a team a good or bad win/loss. I'm sorry. How the team plays during the season does. If it were about recruiting rankings, then why even play the games?

 

[rjd970]

LSU beat that Oklahoma team by 20

Ole Miss won by 26

Texas won by 31

5 double digit losses on the season

Y’all need to stop sticking up for Alabama and that 24-3 thumping they received from a BAD football team.

Exactly, and a loss to Vandy on top of it.

Let me say that again...VANDY.

 

[theFallGuy]

Alabama is a better team than Miami. They played a tougher schedule. Had better wins. And will be favored by Vegas to do better in the playoffs than Miami.

You can hate Bama all you want but these are the facts. The committee got it right. They deserve to be in over Miami.

agree completely. I get we all hate Bama but there is no way Miami is better than them.

 

[901 Orange]

Sorry. Don't agree. They have 3 losses compared to 2. Your reasoning that Bama is a "better" team than UM is speculation. The W-L records are fact. They'd have to play on the field to truly know who's better. I have no doubt that UM would have a good chance to beat Bama. Bama lost by 21 pts to OU. C'mon.

You're right the W/L records are fact. That means the wins matter too. Bama beat UGA, SC, and Mizzou. Who did Miami beat that's better than any of those 3??

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

LSU beat that Oklahoma team by 20

South Carolina won by 26

Texas won by 31

5 double digit losses on the season

Y’all need to stop sticking up for Alabama and that 24-3 thumping they received from a BAD football team.

Guess we should be out then since we only beat lowly Oklahoma by 10?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

The recruiting ranking and talent composites do not make a team a good or bad win/loss. I'm sorry. How the team plays during the season does. If it were about recruiting rankings, then why even play the games?

Recruiting rankings effect how hard it is to beat a team even if they're bad. For example, Auburn was bad this year but I doubt anyone would say they were an easy out. Despite their poor play they have a talented roster which makes them harder to beat than other teams around the country with similar records.

If recruiting rankings don't matter why did so many people care about what happened yesterday?

 

[rjd970]

You're right the W/L records are fact. That means the wins matter too. Bama beat UGA, SC, and Mizzou. Who did Miami beat that's better than any of those 3??

This is a worthless exercise...who did Miami lose to worse than Vandy (or for that matter OK)?

Bama has the better wins and Miami has the better losses and better record. Anything after that is speculation. My speculation is Bama got in on brand and Miami would be in if it were us or anybody else.

 

[rjd970]

Recruiting rankings effect how hard it is to beat a team even if they're bad. For example, Auburn was bad this year but I doubt anyone would say they were an easy out. Despite their poor play they have a talented roster which makes them harder to beat than other teams around the country with similar records.

If recruiting rankings don't matter why did so many people care about what happened yesterday?

At the end of the day you are what your record says, and your record is more than talent...it is coaching, resources, etc...in addition to talent.

Yes people care about yesterday, as a PREDICTOR of how good they will be. During the season that goes out the window because we have ACTUAL results. Bama ACTUALLY lost to Vandy and OK and that is a fact.

 

[VolPack22]

Guess we should be out then since we only beat lowly Oklahoma by 10?

Dude if you can’t realize that getting smoked by 3 touchdowns to a team that shouldn’t even be going to a bowl was quite possibly the worst loss of the season then idk what to tell you. And then not only that, you gave up 40 freaking points to VANDERBILT. Alabama has 2 egregious losses on their record. Nobody else in the CFP or the other teams they were going up against has that. Eventually you have to look at who they lost to and how they lost those games. So I guess we’ve now set the precedent that Alabama could have lost a game by 50 points and it wouldn’t matter as long as they have a win vs Georgia on their record? Ole Miss had 1 egregious loss, but smoked Georgia and South Carolina while Alabama escaped those games by the skin of their teeth. It really shouldn’t even be a discussion. Alabama should not be in this season.

 

[sami]

LSU beat that Oklahoma team by 20

South Carolina won by 26

Texas won by 31

5 double digit losses on the season

Y’all need to stop sticking up for Alabama and that 24-3 thumping they received from a BAD football team.

It's not a matter of sticking up for Alabama, it's the point that SEC road games are hard right now, regardless where you play. And the Big 10 is a f***king joke. You guys are so obsessed with Alabama you can't see anything else.

 

[901 Orange]

This is a worthless exercise...who did Miami lose to worse than Vandy (or for that matter OK)?

Bama has the better wins and Miami has the better losses and better record. Anything after that is speculation. My speculation is Bama got in on brand and Miami would be in if it were us or anybody else.

Miami lost to a 7-5 GT. The only difference between GT, Vandy, & OU is they played a tougher schedule than GT.

 

[sami]

The fact that OM and USC are not in this thing is that they haven't earned it, and I would place Bama in that same category. You can't reasonably argue (in my opinion) that losses to Vanderbilt and Oklahoma still keep you in the deserving category. Maybe a loss to one is ok, but not both.

Ole Miss and USCe were never a consideration with a loss. It was always going to be Alabama, because along with Georgia and Texas they are the 'chosen ones' of the SEC. If UGa had three losses, the "committee" would be doing cartwheels to keep them in as well.

It isn't about resumes, it's about insuring that the power schools that bring ratings and attention are in the playoff, and setting it up for big matchups that will create interest. If UT had three losses, we'd be in the same boat as OM and USCe - out. And comparing resumes all day would never change that fact.

The sooner everyone understands that this isn't about identifying the 12 best teams, but is all about how to maximize the return on the incredible investment the networks have made, the easier it will be to accept this for what it is - a huge, bloated show.

 

[901 Orange]

This is a worthless exercise...who did Miami lose to worse than Vandy (or for that matter OK)?

Bama has the better wins and Miami has the better losses and better record. Anything after that is speculation. My speculation is Bama got in on brand and Miami would be in if it were us or anybody else.

Can't belive you're making me defend freaking Bama smh. When both teams lose multiple games they shouldn't, the wins absolutely matter. If I have 1 more loss than you, but I played 5 teams that were in the CFP race to your zero, and I beat 4 of those 5 teams, my argument is stronger than yours. You can put any teams in that same scenario and my stance would still be the same. I could careless that it happens to be Bama.

 

[VolPack22]

It's not a matter of sticking up for Alabama, it's the point that SEC road games are hard right now, regardless where you play. And the Big 10 is a f***king joke. You guys are so obsessed with Alabama you can't see anything else.

3 of the Big Ten teams have 1 loss or less and the fourth only has 2 losses. They are never going to keep those types of records in that conference out of the CFP no matter what we think. And I’m glad you brought up SEC road games are hard so yeah let’s look at their records and total point differential in those games. It’s pretty evident Ole Miss and South Carolina completely out-class Alabama in that department.

Alabama 1-3 (-4)

Ole Miss 2-2 (+46)

South Carolina 3-1 (+70)

 

[VolPack22]

Can't belive you're making me defend freaking Bama smh. When both teams lose multiple games they shouldn't, the wins absolutely matter. If I have 1 more loss than you, but I played 5 teams that were in the CFP race to your zero, and I beat 4 of those 5 teams, my argument is stronger than yours. You can put any teams in that same scenario and my stance would still be the same. I could care less that it happens to be Bama.

So theoretically if Alabama loses to Western Kentucky, South Florida, and Mercer but win the rest of their games, they would still be a deserving CFP participant?

 

[VolPack22]

Miami lost to a 7-5 GT. The only difference between GT, Vandy, & OU is they played a tougher schedule than GT.

And GT took Georgia to 8 OT in Athens. So what’s the difference there?

 

[Jax_Vol]

Clemson wins this weekend and Bama's out. Who else can win this weekend and knock out the Tide?

Go Tigers!!

 

[DukeDaisySam]

I wouldn’t put money on Alabama to win or cover any game. Whenever you score 3 points in a game against a 5-5 team, you lose all benefit of the doubt.

What is considered UT's marquee win this season?