sick of all these vol fans

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VolStrom said:
I thought we saw quite a bit of progress last year over the previous years regime. We came within a hair of beating GA and Vandy. A couple of calls or plays went different in those two games and we're sitting at 7-5 instead of 5-7. At least we played hard until the end.

Unlike the year before when Dooley threw in the towel against Mizzou with time left. My fist still clinches when I think of that game.
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I thought UGA and USCe were good signs. I take absolutely NO comfort in "almost" beating Vandy.

UT was also blown out 4 times for the first time in at least 50 years, fielded its 2nd worst scoring D in program history, and "almost" lost to a 6-6 mid-major.

I have rationalized these negatives with the idea that Jones may have been coaching two different teams last fall. The one focused on the Srs who weren't going to be there long enough for him to develop and full integrate into his system and then one focused on the future. I think it makes sense in light of him RS'ing Maggitt and M Jackson when both could have helped. I think it helps explain who they played on the DL when it now seems obvious that they'd rather play smaller and faster on the DL.

The staff didn't get all they could out of last year's roster. My hope is that they were strategically investing in the future.
 
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sjt18 said:
Not being a smart aleck... just challenging you here.

Can you name a single coach in the last 25 years that started his tenure at a school with two losing seasons and went on to win?

You'll be challenged to find one that didn't improve the record in year 1.
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Depends on what you define as successful. I'll still play and I will even give you two. Both al golden and Charlie strong had losing seasons their first two years as head coach. Now both Louisville and Miami are consistently having nine + win seasons
 
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VolAllen said:
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this or not and I don't feel like reading through 9 pages but, Johnny Majors didn't do ANY of that. Just fyi.
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Actually, he won the 76 national title with Pitt, and was inducted into the college hall of fame in 1987. He led the vols to 3 conference titles and he did indeed recruit Heisman winner Tony dorsett, just fyi. So...
 
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There is more reason to expect 8 wins with our talent/coaches than to expect 6 wins, yet will be grateful for 6 and not get a bad attitude.
I have never understood how many believe that we will win SEC championship in 2015....without showing any progress in 2014.
 
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615vols said:
Actually, he won the 76 national title with Pitt, and was inducted into the college hall of fame in 1987. He led the vols to 3 conference titles and he did indeed recruit Heisman winner Tony dorsett, just fyi. So...
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Yeaaaa but not for the Vols...
 
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VolAllen must be extremely young and ignorant of Johhny Majors accomplishments to give us that FYI. He was also the runner up for the Heisman trophy when he played at Tennessee in the late 50's. Just and FYI.
 
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jlindsa4 said:
Depends on what you define as successful. I'll still play and I will even give you two. Both al golden and Charlie strong had losing seasons their first two years as head coach. Now both Louisville and Miami are consistently having nine + win seasons
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Championships.

Strong didn't have losing seasons in his first two. Unless you count his 0-1 record when he replaced Zook at UF for the bowl game in 2004... he's never had a losing season.

I'll acknowledge the exception of Golden if you'll acknowledge that he did it at Temple... that had avg'd 2 wins per season for the previous 15 years... and considered dropping their program.
 
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sjt18 you still have to concede the fact that TN is probably, if not the only, major college team that has seen this kind of coaching turnover in such a short time in recent college football history.

Sure you can spout facts and figures all day, but unless you can compare apples and apples the numbers don't mean squat.
 
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sjt18 said:
Championships.

Strong didn't have losing seasons in his first two. Unless you count his 0-1 record when he replaced Zook at UF for the bowl game in 2004... he's never had a losing season.

I'll acknowledge the exception of Golden if you'll acknowledge that he did it at Temple... that had avg'd 2 wins per season for the previous 15 years... and considered dropping their program.
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Okay strong went 6-6 two years and won his bowl games. Big deal. I'll find two more.
 
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chattavol420 said:
saying they'd be happy with a 6-6 season or something similar. How could anyone be satisfied with losing every single game of consequence? How long have yall been fans? We are still ut! Just because we had a short coaching stint by a pathological liar, followed by a pathological azz hole doesn't undo all the history we had prior to their tenures. Many of our opponets this year have major question marks. We COULD win against uga, uf, usc, mizzou, ou. We SHOULD win all the others. The only team that is far superior to us at this point is bama. And even they aren't as dominate as in years past (who was picking AU to beat them last year at this time). I would be happy with no less than 8 wins. Anything less will be a dissapointment! A year from now we should be happy with no less than challenging for the sec east.
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So are you familiar with the phrase rebuilding process?
 
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Steve spurrier and les miles both had losing seasons their first years. Second year they did well. More to come
 
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sjt18 said:
Championships.

Strong didn't have losing seasons in his first two. Unless you count his 0-1 record when he replaced Zook at UF for the bowl game in 2004... he's never had a losing season.

I'll acknowledge the exception of Golden if you'll acknowledge that he did it at Temple... that had avg'd 2 wins per season for the previous 15 years... and considered dropping their program.
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If UT had been playing Louisville's schedule we would have been winning like Strong too.
 
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Saban went 9 and 2 his first year at Toledo. The next 4 seasons went 6-5 7-5 6-6 and 6-6 at michigan state. Considered by many to be the best current coach in the NCAA (unfortunately could be true)
 
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chattavol420 said:
saying they'd be happy with a 6-6 season or something similar. How could anyone be satisfied with losing every single game of consequence? How long have yall been fans? We are still ut! Just because we had a short coaching stint by a pathological liar, followed by a pathological azz hole doesn't undo all the history we had prior to their tenures. Many of our opponets this year have major question marks. We COULD win against uga, uf, usc, mizzou, ou. We SHOULD win all the others. The only team that is far superior to us at this point is bama. And even they aren't as dominate as in years past (who was picking AU to beat them last year at this time). I would be happy with no less than 8 wins. Anything less will be a dissapointment! A year from now we should be happy with no less than challenging for the sec east.
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I know a good cliff you can jump off of if We don't reach your lofty goal....6-6 is a good REALISTIC goal for a very young team...We will struggle all year but there is no doubt we are on our way back....So just relax francis
 
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Gene chizik had two terrible seasons at Iowa state. Won the bcs national championship in 2010
 
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It seems that even some of the best current coaches grew out of mediocrity. Coach jones seems to be having a huge impact on our program. The players seem to be listening as well as a majority of the fan base/former players. He will be capable of making us into a championship contending team. It won't be this year (I hope it is). It may not even be next year. But to say that he has to have a great season this year is not accurate.
 
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ncvol17 said:
Just interested - how long have you been a fan?1st year was.....
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I moved to tn when I was 13 in 93. That year I attended my first game and have been a huge fan ever since. I got a little spoiled because we got some tall skinny kid name Peyton something and we just kicked everybody's azz. Oh the memories...
 
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chattavol420 said:
saying they'd be happy with a 6-6 season or something similar. I would be happy with no less than 8 wins. Anything less will be a dissapointment!
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So, you're saying you'd be happy with 8 wins a season?
Or are you tempering your expectations given the circumstances?

If the first, then you want TN to be an 8 win team.
If the second, then why are you crying about the fans who are tempering their expectations?
 
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DownTheField said:
So, you're saying you'd be happy with 8 wins a season?
Or are you tempering your expectations given the circumstances?

If the first, then you want TN to be an 8 win team.
If the second, then why are you crying about the fans who are tempering their expectations?
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Not sure exactly what this means. Yes, an 8 win season is a tempered expectation. If you read the original post it says as for next year...We should hope to be competing for the seccg. But that's not realistic based on the roster and schedule this season. However, no circumstances should have us settling for a 6 win season. That should never be accepted at tn. Yet read even the comments in this very thread. Many post indicate that they will be just fine with it. Crazy!
 
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chattavol420 said:
Not sure exactly what this means. Yes, an 8 win season is a tempered expectation. If you read the original post it says as for next year...We should hope to be competing for the seccg. But that's not realistic based on the roster and schedule this season. However, no circumstances should have us settling for a 6 win season. That should never be accepted at tn. Yet read even the comments in this very thread. Many post indicate that they will be just fine with it. Crazy!
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I will never accept the abbreviation for our great state to not be capitalized.
 
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