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AM64 said:
First start to a better society, kill the lawyers.
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Well...

I will say this. It occurred to me in the past few years that having a lawyer also be a lawmaker is a conflict of interest. Their profession is in the law and then they can in turn create new laws??? So you wonder why the laws are always being created and most reasonable people would come to the conclusion that it is to keep lawyers in business and justify their existence.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
It's what the left wanted all along. Vilify the good ones until they quit and you're left with garbage.

Change my mind.
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How often are "good cops" vilified? When has a cop helping an old lady across the street or getting a cat out of a tree been vilified? Usually, the vilification comes when someone's life or liberty are put in jeopardy.

I guess the theme of the day is "not all"... so I am not saying that there may be situations where good cops are, but be honest, the majority of the times, its related to a shooting or some cop harassing a civilian over something petty or some cop going on a fishing expedition looking for drugs/cash, etc.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
How often are "good cops" vilified? When has a cop helping an old lady across the street or getting a cat out of a tree been vilified? Usually, the vilification comes when someone's life or liberty are put in jeopardy.

I guess the theme of the day is "not all"... so I am not saying that there may be situations where good cops are, but be honest, the majority of the times, its related to a shooting or some cop harassing a civilian over something petty or some cop going on a fishing expedition looking for drugs/cash, etc.
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I dunno. I would think a blanket 'defund the police' would just about cover it though. Baby and bathwater and all.

It served lefty's end goal.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I dunno. I would think a blanket 'defund the police' would just about cover it though. Baby and bathwater and all.

It served lefty's end goal.
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Well half of that is political manipulation that is intended to divide the country, so I agree that there was an obvious sinister motive to that.

But the "defund the police" idea is a recent thing that got a big push in 2020. But lets step back and ask what lead up to the real grassroots/man on the street sentiment about the relationship between the police and civilians. Let's not act like that there hasn't been a history of these police encounters leading up to 2020 that did not help to get this wedge issue gaining traction by then.

This sentiment had been at a slow boil long before George Floyd. Had "good" cops done more leading up to 2020 and pushed for real reform, things might (might) have worked out different. I say "might" because at the same time, I don't want to be an idealist.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well half of that is political manipulation that is intended to divide the country, so I agree that there was an obvious sinister motive to that.

But the "defund the police" idea is a recent thing that got a big push in 2020. But lets step back and ask what lead up to the real grassroots/man on the street sentiment about the relationship between the police and civilians. Let's not act like that there hasn't been a history of these police encounters leading up to 2020 that did not help to get this wedge issue gaining traction by then.

This sentiment had been at a slow boil long before George Floyd. Had "good" cops done more leading up to 2020 and pushed for real reform, things might (might) have worked out different. I say "might" because at the same time, I don't want to be an idealist.
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Herein lies the problem.

“Good” cops protect the bad cops.

If a “good” speaks out about bad cops they are ostracized.

Protect the thin blue line at all costs
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
It is interesting you make this a right left issue. This has been going on for many years. Texas has been notoriously bad, as has Tennessee. Hardly, leftist states.

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It grew exponentially during Reagans “ War on Drugs”. Blaming it on Dems or Dem States Is lame. As a matter of fact the two worst areas I’ve heard about in the last 5 years are a Birmingham suburb and the stretch of 85 between Gwinnett and the South Carolina line.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
How often are "good cops" vilified? When has a cop helping an old lady across the street or getting a cat out of a tree been vilified? Usually, the vilification comes when someone's life or liberty are put in jeopardy.

I guess the theme of the day is "not all"... so I am not saying that there may be situations where good cops are, but be honest, the majority of the times, its related to a shooting or some cop harassing a civilian over something petty or some cop going on a fishing expedition looking for drugs/cash, etc.
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Wasn’t “All Cops Are Bastards” a thing for while?
 
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Wrt cops, I lost all trust several years ago. My business partner and I have been in some real estate on the side for a while now. We were over in Alabama looking at some property near Cullman, AL at a growing interstate interchange that leads to Smith Lake. Smith Lake was starting to get more developed and we were going to buy some land at that interchange and lease it in the future. We had to cut over off I-65N on a two lane AL highway to join up with I-59N to get to Chattanooga and get on back to Knoxville.

My partner, who was pretty involved with the media at the time in doing a lot of interviews was on the phone doing an interview with some writer from a financial publication. I was in the passenger seat just reading stuff on my phone when all of a sudden he tells the interviewer he has to hang up because we were getting pulled over by the cops. When we pulled over and asked why, the cop stated “following to closely”. BS. There was absolutely no one in front of us and we sure were not speeding. We looked at each other like wtf is going on here?

We got separated, questioned about where we were going, what we were doing and how we knew each other. Then the question…”mind if we search the car?” Partner adamantly declined and said get your supervisor down here. I was searching for criminal attorneys nearby on my phone as I was still in the front seat. Basically said no way you’re searching this car without a warrant, your supervisor and us being able to video the search with an attorney present. They were pretty much satisfied with business cards, matching stories and figuring out what we both did for a living. In other words, they figured we had the resources to sue the s**t out of them. Ultimately sent us on our way.

Only thing we could figure was maybe we matched a description and we were in a rural area known for producing meth or something. Good news is with all the cameras people have these days, police body cams and the scores of cops getting fired and getting charged for violating rights as a result, maybe they’ll think twice about using bs tactics and making up rules and laws as they go. It was eye opening.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well...

I will say this. It occurred to me in the past few years that having a lawyer also be a lawmaker is a conflict of interest. Their profession is in the law and then they can in turn create new laws??? So you wonder why the laws are always being created and most reasonable people would come to the conclusion that it is to keep lawyers in business and justify their existence.
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We need about an eight year span where no new laws can be enacted, and a few thousand have to be deleted. Basically a legal enema.
 
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I have a friend that was.on border patrol for several years and he's a big proponent of duty/job rotation due to desensitization. After a while he said the border cops (and all other types of cops in stressful situations) stopped seeing the people as people. He said they were often referred to as "tonks" (the sound the flashlight makes when it hits their head).
 
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AM64 said:
We need about an eight year span where no new laws can be enacted, and a few thousand have to be deleted. Basically a legal enema.
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Not sure if I would be cool with the Bill of Rights being in jeopardy every generation. Imagine the "woke" constitution we would have in two decades at the current pace...

Thomas Jefferson on whether the American Constitution is binding on those who were not born at the time it was signed and agreed to (1789) | Online Library of Liberty

The question Whether one generation of men has a right to bind another, seems never to have been started either on this or our side of the water… (But) between society and society, or generation and generation there is no municipal obligation, no umpire but the law of nature. We seem not to have perceived that, by the law of nature, one generation is to another as one independant nation to another… On similar ground it may be proved that no society can make a perpetual constitution, or even a perpetual law. The earth belongs always to the living generation… Every constitution, then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of 19. years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force and not of right.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Not sure if I would be cool with the Bill of Rights being in jeopardy every generation. Imagine the "woke" constitution we would have in two decades at the current pace...

Thomas Jefferson on whether the American Constitution is binding on those who were not born at the time it was signed and agreed to (1789) | Online Library of Liberty

The question Whether one generation of men has a right to bind another, seems never to have been started either on this or our side of the water… (But) between society and society, or generation and generation there is no municipal obligation, no umpire but the law of nature. We seem not to have perceived that, by the law of nature, one generation is to another as one independant nation to another… On similar ground it may be proved that no society can make a perpetual constitution, or even a perpetual law. The earth belongs always to the living generation… Every constitution, then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of 19. years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force and not of right.
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I'd definitely not be agreeable to the Constitution and Amendments expiring naturally. Particularly since there is a process to amend those if there is a will - that would seem to allow newer citizens a way to change the basic rules. As to legislation produced by congress and especially the court decided law: if we had reasonable legislators who acted in the our best interest rather than political expediency and bias, then I'd certainly be in favor of laws that come with an automatic expiration. For now, it appears that each succeeding congress tends to be worse than the one before; therefore, limiting the damage they can do seems best. The courts are just legal decision lotteries, and nothing binding should come of them.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Think about it for a moment though.... This is exactly what the left wants. They have vilified the cops for so long that now only the lowest caliber (no pun intended) people are gravitating to those jobs. We shouldn't be surprised that this kind of thing results, and I'll wager it will happen more and more until we get rid of leftist governments.

But we won't. The allure of free stuff and neverending promises of paying off your degree will once again lure the ignorant to pull the D lever yet again.

And Lucy laughs at Charlie Brown once more.
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The same kind of people are signing on to be cops as always have. Some are good, some are not so good,
 
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