Six to 10?

[oregonvol]

I'm talking about giving him more than 12 games before you conclude that he can't coach.

Who said he can't coach? Where are all these straw men hiding out?

 

[Vol8188]

And Butch has won everywhere he's been...think we ought to give him more than 12 games?

You didn't know? CBJ was supposed to win a NC at either Cincy or EMU to be considered a good coach.

Because Saban won a NC at LSU (despite doing next to nothing at Michigan St), and CBJ couldn't win a NC at Cincy or EMU, he is trash.

 

[3rd_and_Jancek]

I'm talking about giving him more than 12 games before you conclude that he can't coach.

Ok. Who said he can't coach? I don't think the coaching this year was all that great but that certainly doesn't mean the coaching ,mixed in with better talent, can't improve.

 

[oregonvol]

At Florida you either win double-digit games or you're trash.

Also, clearly, beating UT means absolutely nothing to them.

Still they probably preferred beating UT to losing to them, as was the case with Zook, the year before.

 

[DERELICK_MY_VOLS]

And Butch has won everywhere he's been...think we ought to give him more than 12 games?

That is pudding.....supposedly the proof is still in there right?

 

[oregonvol]

Ok. Who said he can't coach? I don't think the coaching this year was all that great but that certainly doesn't mean the coaching ,mixed in with better talent, can't improve.

Eh, we're wasting our time. Fade Route and Vol8188 are just here to fling strawmen like mad and hinder any real attempts at conversation. Seems like it's their thing.

 

[99gator]

Still they probably preferred beating UT to losing to them, as was the case with Zook, the year before.

zook beat south carolina in 2004.

meyer lost to south carolina in 2005.

evens out with tennessee.

carolina sucked in 2004 was pretty good in 2005.

tennessee was good in 2004 and was bad in 2005.

 

[cbbowlingmd]

no there aren't. It's just a repeat of the same old argument using a ridiculous article to back up the claims. Jacques Smith isn't getting drafted. It's unlikely Palardy gets drafted. But even if guys like that do it means very little in terms of how the season should have played out. They lost one game they should have won. That's it

You're wasting your time. The Legion of the Miserable thrives on having something to complain about. They overlook the obvious, spout garbage and, as a result, makes asses of themselves.

 

[fade route]

Who said he can't coach? Where are all these straw men hiding out?

Is this a serious question?

 

[3rd_and_Jancek]

Eh, we're wasting our time. Fade Route and Vol8188 are just here to fling strawmen like mad and hinder any real attempts at conversation. Seems like it's their thing.

Has anybody actually said Butch can't coach or there's no way Butch makes it here? I know I haven't.

 

[fade route]

Eh, we're wasting our time. Fade Route and Vol8188 are just here to fling strawmen like mad and hinder any real attempts at conversation. Seems like it's their thing.

And your thing is to enthusiastically advertise how little you know about how college football works.

 

[DC Vol]

The biggest issue I have, even with the egregious 4 game blowout grouping we had...

is the fact that Vandy and Kentucky both give issues for concern.

UT only put up 237 yards on Vandy. This is the same Vandy squad that 2 weeks prior allowed Florida's decrepit Offense to put up 344 yards and Kentucky's offense to put up 262 the week prior.

UT allowed Kentucky to put up 393 yards on it in the last game. That is the most yards that Kentucky has put up on anyone save for Alabama State and Miami (OH). That puts UT well above Kentucky's yardage totals for just about every other SEC game. This time, the Offense actually shows up and puts up 422.


The problem I have is consistency and obvious signs of improvement as the year went on. This team peaked in October and then nosedived. This roster, with capable coaching, would have still lost to Bama/Auburn/Mizzou but made them close. This roster with capable coaching would have beat Vandy and Kentucky conclusively.

The lack of obvious improvement and consistency are why I lack confidence with members of this coaching staff.

 

[sjt18]

meyer made no improvement from zook in his first year. the only difference is that meyer beat georgia in 2005 because dj shockley was hurt and we saw joe t III at qb.

That's a weird way of looking at things... most fans would say 9-3 was an improvement over 7-5 in spite of dropping Arkansas when they were still bad and picking up Bama.

saban went 7-6 at bama.

Losing no game by more than 7 pts.

bear bryant went 1-9 in his first year at texas a&m and 5-4-1 in his first year at bama.

In a totally different era of football that has no relevance to this discussion.

i think tennessee lacks talent and so 2013 is not a disappointing season to me. and it's not like tennessee wasn't hit by the injury bug as well.

They did not have a 10 win roster. They had a six or 7 win roster. They won five.

i believe you can get inferior talent to play at a higher level because of coaching skill, but it takes some time to get that out of players.

No it doesn't. At least it doesn't have to. Sumlin got it year one. Freeze got it year one... in fact most good coaches make an impact right away.

neither did florida. good news for tennessee fans is we know florida didn't have the coaches to elevate the level of play of florida's inferior talent.

The bad news is we don't know if we do either... some have blind faith... but they did not prove they're a good enough staff to win in the SEC in '13.

You and I both know that good coaches can keep an inferior team in games that they shouldn't be in. We've seen it. We've seen good coaches win games against better teams. The best you can say for Jones in '13 is that he was 1-5. He beat USCe, lost to Vandy, and was blown out 4 times in completely uncompetitive games.

Yeah I enjoyed seeing UF go 4-8 even though it was muted some by how bad UT was. But you weren't really blown out but once. You can say "We didn't generate any offense but were competitive enough to have won if we could". We can't say that.

 

[DC Vol]

and i must write this in its own post.....

anyone who puts jacques smith and nfl in the same sentence should seek medical attention.

now having said that, i will wait and watch the jaguars trade up to draft him in the first round.

I can't get to the site from work.

Who is on the list and in what rounds? I thought I gave a rational write-up giving UT 6 players drafted, 7 if AJ declares.

Though most are bottom dwellers.

 

[99gator]

ok, here's the deal on what i would look at.

1. tennessee was inconsistent. the team that showed up against florida was not the same team that showed up against georgia and south carolina. that's part of changing a losing culture.

2. join the club. the "blowouts" some of you are crying about are ridiculous because of the following. alabama took a lot of teams to the woodshed. auburn just put up 59 on a previously 11-1 team. oregon has been taking people to the woodshed for years. it's not like you were alone in getting hammered by those clubs. and auburn got better as the year went along.

3. tennessee started 3 different qb's this season and ended the year starting a true freshman.

4. several aspects of the team, when healthy, clearly improved. special teams play was night and day.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

Key is lack of development. Just like Texas.

 

[VFL34]

ok, here's the deal on what i would look at.

1. tennessee was inconsistent. the team that showed up against florida was not the same team that showed up against georgia and south carolina. that's part of changing a losing culture.

2. join the club. the "blowouts" some of you are crying about are ridiculous because of the following. alabama took a lot of teams to the woodshed. auburn just put up 59 on a previously 11-1 team. oregon has been taking people to the woodshed for years. it's not like you were alone in getting hammered by those clubs. and auburn got better as the year went along.

3. tennessee started 3 different qb's this season and ended the year starting a true freshman.

4. several aspects of the team, when healthy, clearly improved. special teams play was night and day.

I wish there was a repeat button for this post. Unfortunately most don't understand these things. Good post dude.

 

[volfan411]

ok, here's the deal on what i would look at.

1. tennessee was inconsistent. the team that showed up against florida was not the same team that showed up against georgia and south carolina. that's part of changing a losing culture.

2. join the club. the "blowouts" some of you are crying about are ridiculous because of the following. alabama took a lot of teams to the woodshed. auburn just put up 59 on a previously 11-1 team. oregon has been taking people to the woodshed for years. it's not like you were alone in getting hammered by those clubs. and auburn got better as the year went along.

3. tennessee started 3 different qb's this season and ended the year starting a true freshman.

4. several aspects of the team, when healthy, clearly improved. special teams play was night and day.

Good post now if only our fans could understand this.

 

[LWSVOL]

The biggest issue I have, even with the egregious 4 game blowout grouping we had...

is the fact that Vandy and Kentucky both give issues for concern.

UT only put up 237 yards on Vandy. This is the same Vandy squad that 2 weeks prior allowed Florida's decrepit Offense to put up 344 yards and Kentucky's offense to put up 262 the week prior.

UT allowed Kentucky to put up 393 yards on it in the last game. That is the most yards that Kentucky has put up on anyone save for Alabama State and Miami (OH). That puts UT well above Kentucky's yardage totals for just about every other SEC game. This time, the Offense actually shows up and puts up 422.


The problem I have is consistency and obvious signs of improvement as the year went on. This team peaked in October and then nosedived. This roster, with capable coaching, would have still lost to Bama/Auburn/Mizzou but made them close. This roster with capable coaching would have beat Vandy and Kentucky conclusively.

The lack of obvious improvement and consistency are why I lack confidence with members of this coaching staff.

you do understand they went from a junior QB who had grasped the system, thus the peak you speak of, to the 4th string true freshman QB who 8 days earlier was running the scout team and not the UT system?

I doubt there is a coach anywhere that could have kept improving given that scenario.. Do you have an example of something like that somewhere??

 

[Freak]

...says the guy who thinks the first year of a coach doesn't give any clues as to whether he will be successful or not (even though only 2 of the last 23 SEC Championships were won by guys who had a losing record their first year at their schools).

Out of curiosity, how many took over programs with losing records?

 

[sjt18]

You're wasting your time. The Legion of the Miserable thrives on having something to complain about. They overlook the obvious, spout garbage and, as a result, makes asses of themselves.

What "obvious" do you think I have overlooked?

Not miserable by the way. Disappointed with the on field coaching and development in '13, happy with the PR and image improvements, pretty giddy about the recruiting and recruiting creativity...

I simply have doubts and questions, based on performance, in the ability of this staff to win championships in the SEC. Not sure how that constitutes making an "ass" out of myself. I would think its more making an "ass" out of one's self to claim that coaching was not part of this year's problems.

 

[beachbums624]

LMAO I knew when I saw the thread and the OP's name under it . It would be filled with Jones lost us games , He is not a good coach , We need to upgrade the staff type stuff . I was NOT disappointed .

Edit Sorry by the way , But I see the op has been a mission for a couple of weeks now .

 

[Freak]

...says the guy who thinks the first year of a coach doesn't give any clues as to whether he will be successful or not (even though only 2 of the last 23 SEC Championships were won by guys who had a losing record their first year at their schools).

Spurrier thinks Butch showed some coaching ability in his first year, as does Richt.

I don't think anyone is happy about the Vandy game. It should not have happened. But I can provide plenty of examples where a team was slightly better and lost. Being a great coach doesn't mean you don't have bad days.

 

[sjt18]

ok, here's the deal on what i would look at.

1. tennessee was inconsistent. the team that showed up against florida was not the same team that showed up against georgia and south carolina. that's part of changing a losing culture.

Does that explain losing to Vandy in game 11? I don't think it does.

2. join the club. the "blowouts" some of you are crying about are ridiculous because of the following. alabama took a lot of teams to the woodshed. auburn just put up 59 on a previously 11-1 team. oregon has been taking people to the woodshed for years. it's not like you were alone in getting hammered by those clubs. and auburn got better as the year went along.

At their lowest ebb, UF was in the game with Mizzou until the 4th qtr. UT was done... just two weeks later... before the end of the 1st half.

3. tennessee started 3 different qb's this season and ended the year starting a true freshman.

That's a problem unique to UT? Including Peterman is a bit of a stretch though. It is accurate to say that Worley was not prepared to start the season and neither of the others were ready when they got their shot either. One... maybe you blame the kid. Three???

4. several aspects of the team, when healthy, clearly improved. special teams play was night and day.

Palardy improved. You didn't see the Auburn game, did you? Palardy had a less than stellar game and the other team set NCAA records.

 

[beachbums624]

Spurrier thinks Butch showed some coaching ability in his first year, as does Richt.

I don't think anyone is happy about the Vandy game. It should not have happened. But I can provide plenty of examples where a team was slightly better and lost. Being a great coach doesn't mean you don't have bad days.

I would like to publicly apologize for , my post on The Girls of thread to FREAK . The beer was in and the wit was , Mos' Defennatly out . This is without a doubt The best FanSite Available .