Slow playing recruits

#101
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codyg10 said:
But Kiffin signed two of the top runningbacks in the country for the 2009 class last March and also signed Nukeese who were were estatic about at the time and stole two commitments from LSU durning February. Where Dooley on the other hand got us only Rogers Loften Hunter and Stone but also lost Ambles Willis and Calvin Smith and let a commitment that we have had for 2 years get away from us Eric MacLain.
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Kiffin "lost" two OL's, a DT, Giles, Boyd, Stokes, Thigpen, and I'm probably missing some others. Dooley had 2 and a half weeks to work with and CLK was undermining his effort .... with less than half a staff.

Needless to say, you are comparing apples to oranges.
Im not saying that were screwed with Dooley as our coach im just saying he hasnt done anything at all to impress me and I dont see what he has done to impress any of yall either.
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He held together the recruiting class and seems to have been accepted by the team in spite of a pretty difficult situation. That's pretty much all he COULD have done by now unless he was prone to media stunts and reckless statements.
Kiffin also put together a great staff. Dooley put together a decent one maybe they will turn out to be good tho everyone has to start somewhere.
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Two on staff are the same. I think the Kiffin's are more accomplished than DD and Wilcox. I like CS, Baggett, and Hiestand better than the guys they replaced. Two of the others are unknowns... the guy from TTU has me scratching my head.
My point is I just dont see our football program the same way right now as I did with Kiffin this time last year. Kiffin brought excitment to the program and didnt even have to win a game.
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I'm sorry that sideshows get you excited. A 7-6 record with blow out losses to VT and Miss doesn't "excite" me. The NCAA snooping around doesn't "excite" me. A coach stabbing the program in the back 2-3 weeks before NSD DOES excite me... but not in a positive way.
And it will take Dooley to have an upset win over Oregon and Florida to bring the same kind of excitment to our program that Kiffin had before last season ever started.
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Depends on what gets you excited. If you are excited by an image of class then you'll like Dooley. If you're excited by a punk... well you know.

Me... I will be "excited" if they play disciplined football like they did at times last year. I will be excited if the recruiting class is shaping up by 8/1 after the summer camps. I'll be "excited" if they somehow get that OL to play like a credible SEC OL.

It takes something real, not an illusion, to get me pumped up.
 
#102
#102
sjt18 said:
Every coach slow plays recruits. Kiffin's method was to offer but refuse to take the commitment. Dooley appears to only offer kids whose commitment he'll accept. I'm not sure at the end of the day there's alot of difference.
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Hubbs has already stated that Dooley has turned down a couple of commits.
 
#105
#105
codyg10 said:
Why would we not want someone that's wants to be a vol
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If true... probably because DD thinks he's got a strong line on better players.

Would you have asked the same question if CLK were still coach or just ASSUME it was the right decision because he gives you a tingle up your leg?
 
#109
#109
I went to every game last year and skipped church one day to go to the Tennessee Florida basketball game im not a troll. I love the Vols I just dont like Hammy or Dooley I think that Dooley could do good with this program if he was in a better situation. I just dont think he is the guy that can bring this program back to the way it should be.
 
#110
#110
codyg10 said:
I went to every game last year and skipped church one day to go to the Tennessee Florida basketball game im not a troll. I love the Vols I just dont like Hammy or Dooley I think that Dooley could do good with this program if he was in a better situation. I just dont think he is the guy that can bring this program back to the way it should be.
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this would be a genius response if you are indeed a troll. you spin it as if I am calling you a fan of another school which i am not. there are other kinds of trolls.
 
#111
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Lord Vader said:
this would be a genius response if you are indeed a troll. you spin it as if I am calling you a fan of another school which i am not. there are other kinds of trolls.
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+1..thousand. I did ignore Cody for a while...then I un-ignored him, because his posts are good for laughs.
 
#113
#113
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Green was never a certainty, and Cullen wasn't going to end up here because of grades.

Da'Rick didn't like Kiffin, and never would have ended up here. Kiffin left, took Ambles with him, and that opened the door to take Nash and Rogers as a package deal. That's how it worked out, and honestly, it was for the best.
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Don't speculate or anything. Good to see factual evidence is only a necessity for the rest of our cases.
 
#114
#114
Incipient said:
How about. . . let's give CDD the benefit of the doubt and assume he knows what he's doing unless we get a good reason to think otherwise.
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I'm all for giving CDD "the benefit of the doubt".... but you keep saying that He knows what he is doing, .......... at this point in time.... I don't know what he is is doing and all I can go on is history.

Seems to me I remember a few years back when we had a program moving forward and a coach bolted for his dream job (Dickey) and we went after a nice southern gentelman with ties to Alabama ( Battle) and everyone said "Oh give him a chance , cause he knows what he is doing" ..............and how did that work out for us?????

I am not saying that I know CDD will not work out... I am a Vol fan and have been all my life and have followed them for years... win or loss. All I know for sure is history does have a way of repeating it'self and I just hope it it does not in this case. AS FOR ME, I THINK I WILL JUST WAIT AND SEE BRFORE I DECLARE HIM A GREAT FOOTBALL COACH
 
#115
#115
As for me, I think I will just wait and see before I declare him a great football coach OR a failure.

I will give him credit when I see him do things I think will work and will criticize as objectively as I can when things do not seem right.
 
#116
#116
Thats pretty much what im saying. I dont think he is fit to run a program like Tennessee hopoefully he will prove me wrong. I just dont think that 17-20 in the WAC should get to coach an SEC team.
 
#117
#117
Coastypop said:
I'm all for giving CDD "the benefit of the doubt".... but you keep saying that He knows what he is doing, .......... at this point in time.... I don't know what he is is doing and all I can go on is history.

I am not saying that I know CDD will not work out... I am a Vol fan and have been all my life and have followed them for years... win or loss. All I know for sure is history does have a way of repeating it'self and I just hope it it does not in this case. AS FOR ME, I THINK I WILL JUST WAIT AND SEE BRFORE I DECLARE HIM A GREAT FOOTBALL COACH
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I didn't say we should declare him a great football coach right now, just that we should give him the benefit of the doubt and at least start with the assumption that he's competent in the basic functions of his job (e.g. knowing the ins and outs of recruiting). If he's that incompetent, it will show itself soon, but as of now, we have no evidence of incompetence.
 
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codyg10 said:
Thats pretty much what im saying. I dont think he is fit to run a program like Tennessee hopoefully he will prove me wrong. I just dont think that 17-20 in the WAC should get to coach an SEC team.
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So that's "pretty much" what you are saying or it isn't? What you wrote after the first sentence "pretty much" contradicts the notion that you aren't operating on presuppositions.

His 17-20 record at La Tech has nothing at all to do with how successful he will be at UT. It should have had ALOT to do with his getting the job... maybe more than it did... but now that the job is his you have to look beyond that. Now you have to start looking at what he does as UT's HC. You really do have to clear the slate just like many of us did with Kiffin.

Let me use this example. Right now, alot of people are looking for good jobs. If a rumor goes around that we're hiring we'll get 50 applicants. My jobs are difficult but fairly rewarding as blue collar jobs go. In a relative sense, these jobs are very desirable right now so I can be very, very picky with applications. I can wait for guys with the ideal skills and work history.

A few years ago when the economy was running hot... these were still good jobs but the applicant pool was weaker. In a relative sense, our jobs were less desirable.

At the point Dooley took the UT HC job, it was a relatively undesirable job. UT has a depleted roster and had a recruiting class more likely to fall apart than not. It is definitely are rebuilding project with a fan base that probably won't be patient.

Like it or not, it is EXACTLY the kind of job a 17-20 La Tech coach with "upside" gets.

When you hire that guy in the tighter labor market, you wipe the slate clean and start working with him. You can't do anything about the fact that he doesn't have all the skills you want or was once fired for attendance. That guy might turn out great. A guy you think is the ideal candidate might flop. But once you have them... you have to judge them by what they do for you and not what they did before.
 
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#120
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Vol'08 said:
How many commitments does Kiffin have at USC? He must have like 15 by now. wait let me check . . . . . . oh he only has ONE! He is such a horrible recruiter just like dooley. give me a break.
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LK and USC have the luxury of being as picky and scruitinous as they chose all the way until NSD. they will get the elite of the elite if not for their recruiting/coaching abilities, but for the fact that is USC. Dooley and UT just dont have that alure right now. a few recruits now could only do good to get some attention here and some faith in the fans. i hope for the sake of volnation's sanity, someone pulls the trigger in our favor soon...
 
#121
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PA Vol said:
LK and USC have the luxury of being as picky and scruitinous as they chose all the way until NSD. they will get the elite of the elite if not for their recruiting/coaching abilities, but for the fact that is USC. Dooley and UT just dont have that alure right now. a few recruits now could only do good to get some attention here and some faith in the fans. i hope for the sake of volnation's sanity, someone pulls the trigger in our favor soon...
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Well, we have somebody announcing next week who's leaning UT. That could be big.
 
#122
#122
codyg10 said:
I went to every game last year and skipped church one day to go to the Tennessee Florida basketball game im not a troll. I love the Vols I just dont like Hammy or Dooley I think that Dooley could do good with this program if he was in a better situation. I just dont think he is the guy that can bring this program back to the way it should be.
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I wont go as far as to completley agree with him, but i have similar worries. Dooley is in no way shape or form the guy I would hire to lift UT out of the cess pool it has descended into. I think he is more than capable of running a program that is already decent, but I have worries about his ability to rebuild UT. Two horrid seasons may just get him canned and we will never know what kind of coach or recruiter he is with a good team.

I've bought my ticket for the Dooley Express, but I havent gotten on board just yet...
 
#124
#124
I think some of you still don't get it.

MH tried, and failed, to hire several guys before Dooley. The guys that most of us would have LOVED to have seen hire to "lift UT out of the cess pool"... said "No thanks. Too much career risk involved."
 
#125
#125
sjt18 said:
I think some of you still don't get it.

MH tried, and failed, to hire several guys before Dooley. The guys that most of us would have LOVED to have seen hire to "lift UT out of the cess pool"... said "No thanks. Too much career risk involved."
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Im definatley not disputing that fact. In fact, that is exactly why I'm not sold on Dooley. I hope the best for him, but hes not exactly who everyone, to be fair, wanted.
 
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