So Legendary Coach Pat Summit was forced out...

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ladyvols1 said:
I care as do thousands of UT fans. If you don't have something constructive to add, don't post!
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Constructive??

Unfortunately, we have a legend with dementia it is sad...but why start calling for an AD's head when she "feels" forced out?

What is constructive about that?
 
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I didn't really have an opinion on Hart before but I do now and it is not favorable.
 
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I have suffered with a family member who went through this. One of the toughest things you have to do is take their keys away because it brings about a sudden realization. There is just not a good way to go about it, but it must be done.
 
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jspvol76 said:
I have suffered with a family member who went through this. One of the toughest things you have to do is take their keys away because it brings about a sudden realization. There is just not a good way to go about it, but it must be done.
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The mouth breathing brigade won't understand this though
 
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Pat Summit earned the right to coach from a her death bed if she wanted to. This is disturbing and shouldn't be tolerated. If true this azz clown needs to be torched.. His comments shouldn't have even been remotely being misunderstood by Summit IMO and should have told her your our coach and we support you until you see fit to retire..

If he did this to Summit then can you imagine what will happen to Dooley (even though it may be justified).. Dooley is toast.. Hart is a total loser if this is true.. Fire the Dirt bag before he destroys us. I mean any future new coaches would have to consider the integrity of Hart and could possibly cost us a good coach in the future...
 
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Lexvol said:
Constructive??

Unfortunately, we have a legend with dementia it is sad...but why start calling for an AD's head when she "feels" forced out?

What is constructive about that?
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Because he has proven to be as dishonest as the past AD. He has lied over and over and that should not be someone who is heading the UT AD. Most of understood that Pat would probably not be back. It should have been her decision and then he lied over and over about what his plans were and what his statements were. It isn't about the fact that Pat had to step down, I believe she would have come to that decision. It is about Hart's dishonesty in how he is riding rough shod over the Women's program. And might I add letting people go from the only programs that have never had any NCAA sanctions and have always run a program with integrity; unlike the men's side of the dept.
 
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DadslilVol said:
Pat Summit earned the right to coach from a her death bed if she wanted to. This is disturbing and shouldn't be tolerated. If true this azz clown needs to be torched.. His comments shouldn't have even been remotely being misunderstood by Summit IMO and should have told her your our coach and we support you until you see fit to retire..

If he did this to Summit then can you imagine what will happen to Dooley (even though it may be justified).. Dooley is toast.. Hart is a total loser if this is true.. Fire the Dirt bag before he destroys us. I mean any future new coaches would have to consider the integrity of Hart and could possibly cost us a good coach in the future...
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Why do some of you keep saying "if it's true." Pat Summitt said it was true in her affidavit. Isn't that enough proof? Read the affidavit for yourself. It is posted at the bottom of the article.
 
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ladyvols1 said:
Because he has proven to be as dishonest as the past AD. He has lied over and over and that should not be someone who is heading the UT AD. Most of understood that Pat would probably not be back. It should have been her decision and then he lied over and over about what his plans were and what his statements were. It isn't about the fact that Pat had to step down, I believe she would have come to that decision. It is about Hart's dishonesty in how he is riding rough shod over the Women's program. And might I add letting people go from the only programs that have never had any NCAA sanctions and have always run a program with integrity; unlike the men's side of the dept.
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So you have a "constructive" and clear agenda.....
 
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ladyvols1 said:
As do you.....
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No agenda at all.

There is a big difference between being forced out and feeling forced out. Now...I will readily admit that there were times when I saw the LVs on television last year and thought that Ms Summitt looked pitiful and lost. It was sad.

I also saw what happened at Penn State when a head coach was given absolute power.
 
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Pat said it seemed like she was being forced out but she didnt say in what words. I would guess that Hart discussed with her what was in her, the university's, and the athletes' best interest.

Summit is a legend, but it was the time for her to step down. It would have been terrible for this to have unfolded into a debacle
 
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DadslilVol said:
Pat Summit earned the right to coach from a her death bed if she wanted to. This is disturbing and shouldn't be tolerated. If true this azz clown needs to be torched.. His comments shouldn't have even been remotely being misunderstood by Summit IMO and should have told her your our coach and we support you until you see fit to retire..

If he did this to Summit then can you imagine what will happen to Dooley (even though it may be justified).. Dooley is toast.. Hart is a total loser if this is true.. Fire the Dirt bag before he destroys us. I mean any future new coaches would have to consider the integrity of Hart and could possibly cost us a good coach in the future...
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I think most of us can agree that Pat probably needed to step down, but that should have been her call, and she knew better than any of us did, whether she could still coach or not. The way Hart went about it was down right slimy and it's no way to treat a legend.
 
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MockingVol said:
Pat said it seemed like she was being forced out but she didnt say in what words. I would guess that Hart discussed with her what was in her, the university's, and the athletes' best interest.

Summit is a legend, but it was the time for her to step down. It would have been terrible for this to have unfolded into a debacle
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I guess you didn't bother to read the article or the affadavit. She said specifically what she was told,
“During this one-on-one meeting, Dave Hart indicated to me that I would not be coaching the Lady Vol Basketball Team in the next school year (2012-13), and he planned to name Holly Wafliek as the head coach This was very surprising to me and very hurtful, as that was a decision I would have liked to have made on my own at the end of the season after consulting with my doctors, colleagues and friends and not be told this by Mr. Hart," Summitt said in the affidavit. "I felt this was wrong.
 
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ladyvols1 said:
Why do some of you keep saying "if it's true." Pat Summitt said it was true in her affidavit. Isn't that enough proof? Read the affidavit for yourself. It is posted at the bottom of the article.
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I read the article I am not stupid. I reserve the right to try and remain objective and hope that it really was a misunderstanding and he isn't that "Hartless". In the article it says she "felt" forced out and not that she "was" forced out. That is a huge difference. That is why I am saying if his comments were indeed telling her she needed to retire then he is a dirtbag and needs to be torched.. If he somehow (and I don't know how) he communicated poorly than that is a different story as anybody can feel a certain way about a certain choice of words. I mean if he asked her what her plans were and if she thought about retiring and she felt as if that was forcing her out than that is misunderstood. I don't like the guy at all but he does have an obligation to fill the coaching position if she was considering retirement.

Never the less, Summit loved UT so much that she would have done what was right anyways and didn't need any help deciding and Hart shouldn't have opened his mouth at all...
 
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An AD not living in the past and making the tough, unpopular choices to move us forward...sign him to an extension! I love Pat like we all do on here but for all that she has done for our great school and state, ask yourself, was she the right person for the job moving forward? Legend or not, everyone has a moment in time where it's best to move forward and move on. Penn State didn't realize this. Glad that Hart and UT are.
 
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zjcvols said:
In the article it says that Summitt and Hart had a second meeting and cleared it up. That's how I took it.
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Yeah, I saw where it said or implied that Hart said he was misunderstood but didn't state exactly what he did say originally. Interesting to see what the final outcome is.
 
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jspvol76 said:
I have suffered with a family member who went through this. One of the toughest things you have to do is take their keys away because it brings about a sudden realization. There is just not a good way to go about it, but it must be done.
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This. You guys need to understand the situation without sensationalizing like the media....

It's a difficult situation, but in the best interest of Coach Summit and the Lady Vols, it was time to pass the torch. Save her name, respect, and the team from embarrassment and a media that tends to attack any weakness, even the perceived kind...
 
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Slydell said:
Yeah, I saw where it said or implied that Hart said he was misunderstood but didn't state exactly what he did say originally. Interesting to see what the final outcome is.
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But the second meeting didn't take place until after the NCAA tourny and he also lied to the press about what he had told Coach Summitt about retiring the Lady Vols logo. I don't believe him at all.
 
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Jake Tate said:
This. You guys need to understand the situation without sensationalizing like the media....

It's a difficult situation, but in the best interest of Coach Summit and the Lady Vols, it was time to pass the torch. Save her name, respect, and the team from embarrassment and a media that tends to attack any weakness, even the perceived kind...
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What bothers me is the way it was done and when it was done. He could have waited until after the NCAA tourny and given Pat time to come to him. Even though he called her back in after the tourny and told her that she had misunderstood, I think he was just covering his A$$. He also told Coach Summitt that he intended to do away with the Lady Vols and put everything under the Power T. Then when the press asked him about this he told them he had no intention of doing away with the Lady Vols logo. He is a liar and he has proven it. He also wants to take Summitt off the middle of the court and put it at the end of the court. He has no understanding of the Tennessee Tradition and I can't help but believe what Pat Summitt stated in her affadavit. I don't see how people can read her words and not see that he told her she would not be the coach in 2012-2013. I really believe Coach would have left on her own terms. He didn't have the moral right to do what he did even if it was legal. It was totally classless.
 
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ladyvols1 said:
What bothers me is the way it was done and when it was done. He could have waited until after the NCAA tourny and given Pat time to come to him. Even though he called her back in after the tourny and told her that she had misunderstood, I think he was just covering his A$$. He also told Coach Summitt that he intended to do away with the Lady Vols and put everything under the Power T. Then when the press asked him about this he told them he had no intention of doing away with the Lady Vols logo. He is a liar and he has proven it. He also wants to take Summitt off the middle of the court and put it at the end of the court. He has no understanding of the Tennessee Tradition and I can't help but believe what Pat Summitt stated in her affadavit. I don't see how people can read her words and not see that he told her she would not be the coach in 2012-2013. I really believe Coach would have left on her own terms. He didn't have the moral right to do what he did even if it was legal. It was totally classless.
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Have you ever been around anyone with dementia? It's hard because sometimes what they hear or experience is different from reality... And don't blindly believe everything you read
 
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