Socialism Fails Everytime ...

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PointGuard said:
Get some kind of a clue before you run off at the mouth instead of believing everything you read on some far right conspiratorial rag or worse listen th what Trumpturd says
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Please feel free to explain yourself and explain everything about this amazingness in detail.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
There are those who Won't touch on the topic of the VA, because that argument is a dead end. They can't justify gov involvement on a bigger scale, universal healthcare, because gov has failed hugely on a smaller scale, the VA.
There is no justification for failing our veterans.
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Agree... the VA fails to deliver time and time again. This is a fine example of why the government needs to stand off in areas like health care.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
The Federal Reserve is a central banking system. That is one of the planks of Marcs Communist Manifesto. Socialism is one step before Communisim. The Federal Reserve is why we have our ridiculous personal income tax. Its why the value of the dollar has diminished over the years. In the Constitution, only the government had the power to,print money. Big time money men and bankers changed all that.

The fact that you seen to think Socialism is really no big deal shows a fundamental lack of understanding of what it represents. It also shows a growing trend of liberal democrats ideals. Socialism is an abject failure in every means possible. Tgere is no good that comes of it. Unless you are in favor of suppressed freedoms and mammoth government intervention. This post you made is very sad and pathetic and the same time. You should talk to some people who have studied Socialism. Your views would likely change.
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Social security, Medicare/Medicaid, the military, national parks, unemployment are all social programs. For almost 100 years there’s been one vocal opponent to single player healthcare, the American Medicla Associstion. They labeled it socialized medicine in the 1950s because they knew idiots would eat it up and be scared of it. Obviously, it still is called that to this day to scare people and keep all the money in the pockets of big healthcare corporations. Our healthcare spending is almost 20% of our GDP.

Harry Truman and Teddy Roosevelt tried to national healthcare passed on a national level. Were they secret extreme socialists trying to become dictators? The only time socialism fails is when there is a dictator. No one can point to a comparable European country that has some form of socialism and say they’re failing. Those countries are ranked better than us in healthcare, education, and quality of life in general in most places. Yet here you are scared of some socialism.
 
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USMC-TNVOL said:
Social security, Medicare/Medicaid, the military, national parks, unemployment are all social programs. For almost 100 years there’s been one vocal opponent to single player healthcare, the American Medicla Associstion. They labeled it socialized medicine in the 1950s because they knew idiots would eat it up and be scared of it. Obviously, it still is called that to this day to scare people and keep all the money in the pockets of big healthcare corporations. Our healthcare spending is almost 20% of our GDP.

Harry Truman and Teddy Roosevelt tried to national healthcare passed on a national level. Were they secret extreme socialists trying to become dictators? The only time socialism fails is when there is a dictator. No one can point to a comparable European country that has some form of socialism and say they’re failing. Those countries are ranked better than us in healthcare, education, and quality of life in general in most places. Yet here you are scared of some socialism.
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Lol. Yet another one who is unfamiliar. So you dont see any coincidence in every situation where Socialisim has risen there is a dictator behind it? Socialism is a failure. If you cannot understand that then there is no hope for you. Yes there a few elements of Socialism that are good, but they are few and far between. Ask yourself why exactly do most logical people think badly when Socialism is mentioned. Maybe because of the historical examples if a Socialistic society that has tirned countries into crap holes. SocialSecurity is a ponzi scheme. Medicare is a way for government to control your healthcare options in your senior years.

Socialism breeds dictators. Why? Because it virtually guarantees ultimate power to a government. But keep on thinking that Socialism is just this innocent system that is good for everyone. But you are wrong.
 
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CABVOL said:
Absolutely they are. For my hospital, and others like it (critical access), they pay 98% of expense. Meaning we lose 2% on everything we do that is Medicare and Medicaid. We rely on commercial payors to try to break even or make a little money in order to make payroll, buy new equipment, upgrade aging building structures, etc. Then at the end of the year, if we try to cut expenses, Medicare comes back in and says, "well, you didn't have as many expenses as last year, so give us $300,000 back". $300,000 we don't have.

So if we try to cut expenses, we are screwed. If we try to raise expenses, the community gets mad and quits coming, then we are screwed. There is reason why 80+ hospitals have closed across the US since 2009, with over 600 teetering on the brink of closing today.

But single payor system(the government) will fix it all...
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All the single payor syncophants should spend 1 week in your shoes.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
The Federal Reserve is a central banking system. That is one of the planks of Marcs Communist Manifesto. Socialism is one step before Communisim. The Federal Reserve is why we have our ridiculous personal income tax. Its why the value of the dollar has diminished over the years. In the Constitution, only the government had the power to,print money. Big time money men and bankers changed all that.

The fact that you seen to think Socialism is really no big deal shows a fundamental lack of understanding of what it represents. It also shows a growing trend of liberal democrats ideals. Socialism is an abject failure in every means possible. Tgere is no good that comes of it. Unless you are in favor of suppressed freedoms and mammoth government intervention. This post you made is very sad and pathetic and the same time. You should talk to some people who have studied Socialism. Your views would likely change.
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My post was 100% accurate. The point is that we are a mixed economy (a mixture of freedom and controls). Neither capitalism or socialism, in their purest form, would be successful. If you disagree, name just one pure laissez-faire capitalist society which has ever even existed... NAME JUST ONE.
 
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Socialism fails because of human nature, when you can have a man or woman who can't be bought, can't be bribed, is willing to fight and die for that way of life with no personal gain or benefit, then it might work. But, it won't, because if that person exists, they'll be killed and replaced by someone not as virtuous.

That is why socialism will always fail.
 
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USMC-TNVOL said:
Social security, Medicare/Medicaid, the military, national parks, unemployment are all social programs. For almost 100 years there’s been one vocal opponent to single player healthcare, the American Medicla Associstion. They labeled it socialized medicine in the 1950s because they knew idiots would eat it up and be scared of it. Obviously, it still is called that to this day to scare people and keep all the money in the pockets of big healthcare corporations. Our healthcare spending is almost 20% of our GDP.

Harry Truman and Teddy Roosevelt tried to national healthcare passed on a national level. Were they secret extreme socialists trying to become dictators? The only time socialism fails is when there is a dictator. No one can point to a comparable European country that has some form of socialism and say they’re failing. Those countries are ranked better than us in healthcare, education, and quality of life in general in most places. Yet here you are scared of some socialism.
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Everyone runs from this point.
 
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"Social security, Medicare/Medicaid, the military, national parks, unemployment are all social programs"....yes, but besides the Military which is an inclusive self sustaining organization, the other things show just how bad government is at managing anything.
 
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tennvols77 said:
"Social security, Medicare/Medicaid, the military, national parks, unemployment are all social programs"....yes, but besides the Military which is an inclusive self sustaining organization, the other things show just how bad government is at managing anything.
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Are you claiming that the military is an example of a well run government program? Because I would argue that it is among the very worst run government programs.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Are you claiming that the military is an example of a well run government program? Because I would argue that it is among the very worst run government programs.
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I wouldn't rank them anywhere but equal to any government run program that is wasteful and bloated.

You can't say one turd smells worse than another.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Are you claiming that the military is an example of a well run government program? Because I would argue that it is among the very worst run government programs.
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The military is a completely different entity aside from an expenditure as the other's are.

It's like a separate "division" of a company, on the books for the whole, but, ran and operated individually and away from the parent company.

Not saying it doesn't have it's issues by any means, just saying it is almost autonomous and self directed, as opposed to the programs the government runs.
 
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tennvols77 said:
The military is a completely different entity aside from an expenditure as the other's are.

It's like a separate "division" of a company, on the books for the whole, but, ran and operated individually and away from the parent company.

Not saying it doesn't have it's issues by any means, just saying it is almost autonomous and self directed, as opposed to the programs the government runs.
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It is run by government workers.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Privatizing military medicine?
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Have military a budget that gets paid to private defense firms. We can then ditch the VA all of the military retirement and have the job of soldier treated like any other occupation. The firms under contract can provide whatever benefits they deem necessary to compete in the free market.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Have military a budget that gets paid to private defense firms. We can then ditch the VA all of the military retirement and have the job of soldier treated like any other occupation. The firms under contract can provide whatever benefits they deem necessary to compete in the free market.
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Except that pesky Constitution that gets in your way in regards to this idea...provided we've gotten away from that two years thing, but it is a Congressional power.

Clauses 11, 12, 13, and 14. The Congress shall have power * * * ; To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water. To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years. To provide and maintain a Navy. To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces.
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ClearwaterVol said:
Those of you against "socialized" medicine. How do feel about privatizing the military completely?
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Figure out how to pay for it and I'm all for it. One way is if the government repays all of SS that it has stolen. If that were the case, and we took SS and the funds now available, and let people rely on their own merit for their ability to retire and reclassified SS as a personal healthcare fund, we could come close to being able to do so. The SS individual fund could be used as a way for people to pay for their care.

In terms of the military run by government workers, it has government oversight, it is run primarily through the ranks of servicemen. Yes, you can call them government workers, but, they are not the same as the daily running and operating of government programs.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Are you claiming that the military is an example of a well run government program? Because I would argue that it is among the very worst run government programs.
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Anyone with a military background that did any type of handling of supplies knows exactly how wasteful the military is. They buy a bunch a unneeded stuff at the end of the fiscal year just so they don’t have next year’s budget reduced.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Have military a budget that gets paid to private defense firms. We can then ditch the VA all of the military retirement and have the job of soldier treated like any other occupation. The firms under contract can provide whatever benefits they deem necessary to compete in the free market.
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Sounds like a good way for the “military” to decide what President / leader/ king/ emperor / dicatator should be in power and when they should “ go away “ . But hey if you think it’s a good idea I’m sure it will be fine .
 
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tennvols77 said:
Figure out how to pay for it and I'm all for it. One way is if the government repays all of SS that it has stolen. If that were the case, and we took SS and the funds now available, and let people rely on their own merit for their ability to retire and reclassified SS as a personal healthcare fund, we could come close to being able to do so. The SS individual fund could be used as a way for people to pay for their care.

In terms of the military run by government workers, it has government oversight, it is run primarily through the ranks of servicemen. Yes, you can call them government workers, but, they are not the same as the daily running and operating of government programs.
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They are government workers. They run a operation without regard for cost.
 
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