Socialism Fails Everytime ...

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tennvols77 said:
Simply put, they are the only government organization that could autonomously overthrow that which supposedly runs it, and they could by themselves take over control, and do so nation wide void of the government's wishes or ability to try and stop them.

No order or piece of paper from any politician or even the POTUS could stop it if the military brass decided it needed to be done and soldiers stayed soldiers taking their orders down the line. If/when successful, they would continue on as the government as they saw fit.

It's unlike any other government entity. No pencil pushing SS or Medicaid office, let alone the entirety of any department nationwide, could do anything close to what the military can do. The military could by it's own leadership and structure do as it wishes if it wanted to, and there is really nothing to stop it.
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They wouldn't be soldiers if they followed those orders from the brass.
 
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hog88 said:
They wouldn't be soldiers if they followed those orders from the brass.
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A simple answer to his question, it would depend on whole lot of things, but enemies both foreign and domestic, and if it was necessary and righteous void of political bs, it's possible, not probable or likely, but, possible depending on the severity of the situation.

It reminds me of a HBO movie (don't remember name) where I think it was Utah and the national guard versus a neighboring state, and when it came time to have to fight your fellow countrymen, it wouldn't be anything anybody would want to be facing.
 
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AM64 said:
How about they are free to spend their taxes on socialist programs because we provide a great deal of their defense. Or perhaps you've forgotten that Greece went broke handing out free stuff, and it seems like Spain was close on their heels. Or how about the Marshall Plan after WW2; it basically rebuilt a few countries with modern manufacturing plants that we now compete against. Or how about the technology they don't mind selling to terrorist nations. Or how about the deals our drug companies cut, so that our higher prices subsidize their drug costs. It would really be interesting to see if the Europeans would revolt over sticker shock if the really had to pay the full cost of their socialism. I think we could find a few more if you need them.

Or most of all if the sticker shock drove Europeans away from socialism, we wouldn't have to listen to libs rave about the joys of false socialism. If you took a look at Cuba and a few other places around the world, you'd see the face of the real socialism.
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Again, you point to Cuba as "real" socialism. That's a communist government with a dictatorship. The European countries I am talking about are democratic socialist countries. As for Greece, yes, I'm sure that was caused purely from social programs. You try to oversimplify an economic problem to fit your narrative.

What about the Marshall Plan? Of course it was designed to rebuild war-torn Europe. What were they going to do? Slap a debt on Germany like Post-WW1 and cause more economic problems again? We may complete against some of those countries but most of our manufacturing competition stems from China not Europe.

For pharmaceutical costs, they are completely padded and overpriced to make insane profits. That same industry has one of the highest spending amounts in lobbying and here you are defending them, but let's not talk about how companies can lobby for laws that benefit them or about how companies like Amazon can make $11 billion in profit and not pay federal or state taxes because that would be unAmerican. So keep trying to defend the companies that overprice drugs to heal people, they love it, and it keeps the politicians in their pockets.

If we did the actual math of closing tax loopholes of huge corporations that do not pay taxes, have the power to control price gouging on medical necessities, and take the stupid amount we pay in healthcare plans a month, we could probably create a national system powerful enough to drive down costs for our healthcare.
 
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tennvols77 said:
A simple answer to his question, it would depend on whole lot of things, but enemies both foreign and domestic, and if it was necessary and righteous void of political bs, it's possible, not probable or likely, but, possible depending on the severity of the situation.

It reminds me of a HBO movie (don't remember name) where I think it was Utah and the national guard versus a neighboring state, and when it came time to have to fight your fellow countrymen, it wouldn't be anything anybody would want to be facing.
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Second Civil War was the name of the movie.
 
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USMC-TNVOL said:
Again, you point to Cuba as "real" socialism. That's a communist government with a dictatorship. The European countries I am talking about are democratic socialist countries. As for Greece, yes, I'm sure that was caused purely from social programs. You try to oversimplify an economic problem to fit your narrative.

What about the Marshall Plan? Of course it was designed to rebuild war-torn Europe. What were they going to do? Slap a debt on Germany like Post-WW1 and cause more economic problems again? We may complete against some of those countries but most of our manufacturing competition stems from China not Europe.

For pharmaceutical costs, they are completely padded and overpriced to make insane profits. That same industry has one of the highest spending amounts in lobbying and here you are defending them, but let's not talk about how companies can lobby for laws that benefit them or about how companies like Amazon can make $11 billion in profit and not pay federal or state taxes because that would be unAmerican. So keep trying to defend the companies that overprice drugs to heal people, they love it, and it keeps the politicians in their pockets.

If we did the actual math of closing tax loopholes of huge corporations that do not pay taxes, have the power to control price gouging on medical necessities, and take the stupid amount we pay in healthcare plans a month, we could probably create a national system powerful enough to drive down costs for our healthcare.
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Would you trade our constitution for (pick one) a European democratic socialist form of government if universal healthcare came with it?
 
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To follow that up, concerning wasteful military spending in the thread, anyone remember the HBO movie The Pentagon Wars (from book with the same name) about the development of the Bradley....
 
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hog88 said:
Would you trade our constitution for (pick one) a European democratic socialist form of government if universal healthcare came with it?
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Other than the guns part, the actual freedoms aren’t going to be all that different (although this varies by country).

You know these are freely elected governments, right?
 
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tvolsfan said:
Other than the guns part, the actual freedoms aren’t going to be all that different (although this varies by country).

You know these are freely elected governments, right?
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Wha? Other than guns it’s about the same .. well of course that varies 😂

That’s funny right there .
 
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tvolsfan said:
Other than the guns part, the actual freedoms aren’t going to be all that different (although this varies by country).

You know these are freely elected governments, right?
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Protections for individual freedoms in in the majority of European countries are no where near ours. A couple glaring example of the differences, there is little to no guarantee of freedom of speech or press in most of Europe and no protection from double jeopardy.
 
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hog88 said:
Protections for individual freedoms in in the majority of European countries are no where near ours. A couple glaring example of the differences, there is little to no guarantee of freedom of speech or press in most of Europe and no protection from double jeopardy.
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Not sure if you guys actually think this or not.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Do you guys think that Europeans aren’t free? Lol
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Define “ free” vs America’s freedoms . You just said other than guns it’s pretty much the same , then said well that of course it varies.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Like?
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I can walk down my street carrying a knife in the open , I have the ability to say anything I want to anyone without being charged with a crime or fine , I can have as many TVs in my house as I want without being taxed for any of them , I have the right to own a firearm . I can’t be forced not to write or post anything I want . That’s just off the top of my head
 
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How to control a population . First take their ability to defend themselves away from them , then start controlling what they are allowed to say , then take away their ability to speak out against the government .
 
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tvolsfan said:
Was the law enacted? I’m honeslty asking. I will say I have not been a fan of Germany’s post WWII hate speech laws designed to distance themselves from the NAZI era.
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The problem is that it’s not just Germany .
 
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