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0nelilreb said:
I can walk down my street carrying a knife in the open , I have the ability to say anything I want to anyone without being charged with a crime or fine , I can have as many TVs in my house as I want without being taxed for any of them , I have the right to own a firearm . I can’t be forced not to write or post anything I want . That’s just off the top of my head
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I have addressed the gun issue. That is certainly a glaring difference. And Europeans are definitely permitted free expression. I have yet to see any of the other issues addressed in our constitution or forbidden in a European constitution.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Was the law enacted? I’m honeslty asking. I will say I have not been a fan of Germany’s post WWII hate speech laws designed to distance themselves from the NAZI era.
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I have no idea but the fact that a minister threatened it is enough. And you yourself bring up a great example of how they do not enjoy the same speech protections we do.
 
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0nelilreb said:
How to control a population . First take their ability to defend themselves away from them , then start controlling what they are allowed to say , then take away their ability to speak out against the government .
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Let me know when this happens. I can assure you none of these governments forbid that.
 
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hog88 said:
I have no idea but the fact that a minister threatened it is enough. And you yourself bring up a great example of how they do not enjoy the same speech protections we do.
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Fair, but I think those laws actually originate from post war occupation.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Was the law enacted? I’m honeslty asking. I will say I have not been a fan of Germany’s post WWII hate speech laws designed to distance themselves from the NAZI era.
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tvolsfan said:
I have addressed the gun issue. That is certainly a glaring difference. And Europeans are definitely permitted free expression. I have yet to see any of the other issues addressed in our constitution or forbidden in a European constitution.
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Huh?
 
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tvolsfan said:
I have addressed the gun issue. That is certainly a glaring difference. And Europeans are definitely permitted free expression. I have yet to see any of the other issues addressed in our constitution or forbidden in a European constitution.
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It’s not “ free speech “ when you are charged with a crime if you speak . Before you go to the “ fire in the movie theater “ line , nope we can’t do it , just like a call to action .
 
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So the only freedoms I’m seeing infringed on are weapons and hate speech. Is that the fear of the euro model we are talking about?
 
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0nelilreb said:
Is the hate speech “ free speech “ ? Asking for a friend 😉
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Yes. And it’s fair if you want to mention it. After all, how do we classify hate speech? But that doesn’t change the fact that this oppressive euro government slippery slope thing is a myth. In fact, our government crosses the line, too. I’m sure some Europeans think some of our drug laws are ridiculous and certainly deprive us of freedoms. And not to mention our government is the one spying on its people, which is a bigger threat to our freedom then preventing hate speech (which, to be clear, I agree shouldn’t be illegal).
 
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tvolsfan said:
Yes. And it’s fair if you want to mention it. After all, how do we classify hate speech? But that doesn’t change the fact that this oppressive euro government slippery slope thing is a myth. In fact, our government crosses the line, too. I’m sure some Europeans think some of our drug laws are ridiculous and certainly deprive us of freedoms. And not to mention our government is the one spying on its people, which is a bigger threat to our freedom then preventing hate speech (which, to be clear, I agree shouldn’t be illegal).
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That’s why they are European countries and we are Americans . You say you’ve been to all the euro countries , then you know there’s a huge difference . They will tell you that they don’t want to be Americans and we will tell you that we don’t want to be just another European country . Been there , done that , we didn’t like it so we moved and told them where they can go .
 
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Now that we’ve discussed your fears, which rights are you afraid of losing with government health care or some of the other “socialist” policies some democrats have discussed? Why do we even need to change the constitution?
 
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tvolsfan said:
Now that we’ve discussed your fears, which rights are you afraid of losing with government health care or some of the other “socialist” policies some democrats have discussed? Why do we even need to change the constitution?
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There are a few tweaks the constitution needs.
 
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hog88 said:
Would you trade our constitution for (pick one) a European democratic socialist form of government if universal healthcare came with it?
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Hard for me to say since many don’t have a separation from church and state and stricter speech laws in some areas. I’d have to find one that doesn’t have those issues.

Regardless, no government is the best in all areas, and ours definitely has its issues. My views are that we need reform for not just healthcare, but education, drugs, private prisons, and better leave rights, which is where many European nations excel.
 
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USMC-TNVOL said:
Hard for me to say since many don’t have a separation from church and state and stricter speech laws in some areas. I’d have to find one that doesn’t have those issues.

Regardless, no government is the best in all areas, and ours definitely has its issues. My views are that we need reform for not just healthcare, but education, drugs, private prisons, and better leave rights, which is where many European nations excel.
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Nothing wrong with education here except the infiltration of liberal indoctrination and bureaucratic bs. Add to that you only get out of it what you put into it. Nothing wrong with prisons as far as I’m concerned. Drugs, legalize it all and let Darwinism prevail. Private pensions would be great except all those that never work dipping into the SS cookie jar will be crying and the libs will lap it up. Not sure what you mean about better leave rights. It varies from employer to employer. Find a job with the best or start your own business.
 
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C-south said:
Nothing wrong with education here except the infiltration of liberal indoctrination and bureaucratic bs. Add to that you only get out of it what you put into it. Nothing wrong with prisons as far as I’m concerned. Drugs, legalize it all and let Darwinism prevail. Private pensions would be great except all those that never work dipping into the SS cookie jar will be crying and the libs will lap it up. Not sure what you mean about better leave rights. It varies from employer to employer. Find a job with the best or start your own business.
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There’s plenty wrong with education in the United States. Our scores are way lower than many countries in the world and underfunded; take a look at WV last year with the teachers pay strike.

Privatized prisons have no reason to keep prison populations down as they make less money. The war on drugs is a money maker for police and a drug like marijuana is much less harmful than alcohol. It was only illegal once they came out with stupid propaganda like reefer madness.

Leave rights should have a mandatory minimum especially for women that give birth. Many countries have a minimum of paid leave, especially for maternity leave. Additionally, there’s no federal law requiring paid sick leave. That’s absolutely stupid. It requires people to use their vacation if they even have any.
 
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Our military is not to be feared as far as a coup is concerned, most of my family is military...and those here who served will tell you the same. The difference between our country and the dictatorships that have the military brass turn on them is that our soldiers, sailors, etc swear an oath to defend our constitution and country against ALL enemies, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. If say AOCs green deal was imposed and the .gov planned to use the military to go door to door confiscating guns...the military wouldnt revolt, and the servicemen wouldnt ever shoot civilians trying to protect their private property protected under the 2a...they would simply refuse to follow those orders, en masse, and if that didnt affect change they would all abandon their posts. Our military is not going to war with American civilians, which are their family and friends. Not going to happen in this day and age. Even the UCMJ doesnt scare our servicemen enough to make them turn on their own. I am sure there are a few of them with a couple screws loose just like any other profession that would do just about anything...but the thing about pur military is that for every 1 soldier or sailor etc on the front lines it takes a dozen support personnel to make them effective. From supply, to maintenance, to logistics, to the guy peeling potatoes and the MPs at the gates...nobody in the service acts with impunity and of their own means. That is why widescale evil or genocide will never take place on American soil at the hands of our military. Just wont happen.
 
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