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Boca Vol said:
LULZ....the last 2 Dem presidents (Clinton & Obama) sposebly didn't have a pot to piss in and are suddenly worth hundreds of millions vs. the last 4 Rep. Presidents (Reagan, GB41, GB43, and Trump) who were already wealthy when they took office. Who financially benefited more?
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You may wish to reconsider the point you think you are making. I think someone who holds the most powerful job in the world for 8 years should be worth millions for the rest of their lives. Look at CEO that get fired and receive a $20 million severance package. lol
 
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luthervol said:
You may wish to reconsider the point you think you are making. I think someone who holds the most powerful job in the world for 8 years should be worth millions for the rest of their lives. Look at CEO that get fired and receive a $20 million severance package. lol
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I know why you put that 8 years in there . Clever if he doesn’t get re-elected , if he does you just admitted Trump deserves the same as the rest of them .. Dis gonna be good 😂
 
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My personal opinion is that we need to get rid of all insurance and go to a cash system where providers are free to refuse service.

Or coverage for all.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
My personal opinion is that we need to get rid of all insurance and go to a cash system where providers are free to refuse service.

Or coverage for all.
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That’s a brave stance .. so we either go capitalism or socialism ?
 
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0nelilreb said:
I know why you put that 8 years in there . Clever if he doesn’t get re-elected , if he does you just admitted Trump deserves the same as the rest of them .. Dis gonna be good 😂
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What are you talking about? Trump is already a "billionaire". My point was that a person that hold's the most powerful office in the world for 8 (or even 4) years would obviously be in a position to make millions when they leave. Speaking, writing a book, etc... It's true for the CEO of Widgets, why wouldn't it be true of the POTUS? Or any senator, governor, congressman, etc. People in the corporate (free market) world are more than willing to pay millions for nothing more than a name; throw in a little power, knowledge, and/or connections and the sky is the limit. Hell, they'll pay someone $30 million just to wear their shoes.
 
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tumscalcium said:
Of course you would. You’ve admired for over 40 years you’ve hated this country and have always supported getting rid of it.
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I love this country and have always worked to help it reach its potential. It's at times an excruciatingly slow process, but I've seen a lot of positive movement in my lifetime.
 
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luthervol said:
You may wish to reconsider the point you think you are making. I think someone who holds the most powerful job in the world for 8 years should be worth millions for the rest of their lives. Look at CEO that get fired and receive a $20 million severance package. lol
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What is the presidential salary, and where did the rest of the money come from? You comlpetely ignored his point.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
What is the presidential salary, and where did the rest of the money come from? You comlpetely ignored his point.
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I don't even know.....$400k?
The rest of what money? The money they accumulated after leaving office? I thought I addressed that.
 
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luthervol said:
I don't even know.....$400k?
The rest of what money? The money they accumulated after leaving office? I thought I addressed that.
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They left office with a LOT of money.

Your basic argument is that you are cool with our representatives profiting off of their positions, but Trump is evil because you think he's profiting off of his office.

Your argument becomes even more hypocritical in the context of your (and Obama's) argument for wealth redistribution.
 
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volinbham said:
Medicare and Medicaid are government sources of insurance. The Swiss do not have those. We have basically the same social obligation but they use market forces (private insurance) as opposed to a mix of public (Medicare/Medicaid) and private as in the US.

I prefer the Swiss approach. I also believe (will verify) that the minimum required coverage is less comprehensive than the ACA which included a bunch of goodies for the base as opposed to what do we thing everyone should be covered for.

My bigger point (not to you) is that people confuse universal healthcare (a mandate that all are covered) with single payer (ala Medicare for all). The number of countries with only single payer (like Canada) is actually pretty small.
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You want to make a distinction that Medicare is insurance though technically correct it is a social safety net tax. I pay it but can't use it so it's not insurance to me. Just like the swiss people, they pay a general tax. From this tax they ensure that all citizens have health insurance through subsidies. The people that don't need a subsidy don't get it but they still have to pay the general tax rate that provides the subsidies to others.
This is done on an individual basis as is the US system and has a governing body that determines such needs.

You know what makes it work for them is the individual mandate for private insurance that has a high level of participation from individuals. Every Cantons (states) participates as well.

These two thing (individual mandate, and state participation) is what makes it work for them. Those two thing give Republicans nightmares all the while healthcare and insurance cost are on the rise in those states that didn't expand Medicare.

There's not a country on earth that wants our system. Not even us. The only point that needs to be made is our system sucks as is. You want to tout our innovation and great quality of care as a reason ours is better, you need to look no further than the life expectancy of the populations. We pay more and get less. That's great from a business perspective but not the individual or society.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
They left office with a LOT of money.

Your basic argument is that you are cool with our representatives profiting off of their positions, but Trump is evil because you think he's profiting off of his office.

Your argument becomes even more hypocritical in the context of your (and Obama's) argument for wealth redistribution.
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He didn't say they had a lot of money when they left office. I have no idea how much they had when they left.
I think they should be allowed to profit from their experiences once they leave just like any other person. (within reasonable constraints)
I don't think I've ever said a word about Trump profiting from being in office. It will probably be the first time in history when a president leaves office with less earning potential than when he entered.
I think Clinton's and Obama's millions (anything over 10 million per year) should be taxed at 70%.....(or something like that) Where's the hypocrisy?
 
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luthervol said:
He didn't say they had a lot of money when they left office. I have no idea how much they had when they left.
I think they should be allowed to profit from their experiences once they leave just like any other person. (within reasonable constraints)
I don't think I've ever said a word about Trump profiting from being in office. It will probably be the first time in history when a president leaves office with less earning potential than when he entered.
I think Clinton's and Obama's millions (anything over 10 million per year) should be taxed at 70%.....(or something like that) Where's the hypocrisy?
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Obama signed a 2 million dollar book deal less than a month after entering the Senate. He average an income of less than $300,000 annually before entering the senate, after which he averaged well over $2mil annually while serving in the senate. Michelle began making over $300,000/yr serving on various boards when he entered the senate.

He reworked his book deal for MUCH more money two weeks before swearing in as president. He entered gov't as upper middle class and exited as an EXTREMELY wealthy man.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Obama signed a 2 million dollar book deal less than a month after entering the Senate. He average an income of less than $300,000 annually before entering the senate, after which he averaged well over $2mil annually while serving in the senate. Michelle began making over $300,000/yr serving on various boards when he entered the senate.

He reworked his book deal for MUCH more money two weeks before swearing in as president. He entered gov't as upper middle class and exited as an EXTREMELY wealthy man.
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I see nothing wrong with any of that.
 
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